Originally posted by sonshipStart a thread on the basics of the gospel .
I don't think Rajk999 understands the basics of the Gospel of the Grace of God [b](Acts 20:24) . He would have been, I think, on the side of the Pharisees who said the Gentile Christians had to be circumcised and to keep the law of Moses.[/b]
As for your crack about me being a Pharisee I would bet Jesus would find your type to be closer to them. Jesus called them mouth worshippers and that's your doctrine. You and the Pharisees would be pals
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Originally posted by sonship2 judgments lol 😀And you are right about one thing.
I am right about a few things of which you are clueless.
Making up stuff that Matt25 is about Helping Christ brothers escape great tribulation.... you really have no integrity. .. You have the gall to preach this nonsense that is not in the bible.
You don't fear God. If you did you would careful to faithfully repeat what the bible says
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Originally posted by Rajk999You think smiling at me proves your point ?
2 judgments lol 😀
Making up stuff that Matt25 is about Helping Christ brothers escape great tribulation.... you really have no integrity. .. You have the gall to preach this nonsense that is not in the bible.
You don't fear God. If you did you would careful to faithfully repeat what the bible says
One Judge there is - the triune God.
The Bibles does not say all are judged at the same time.
That's your lack of understanding speaking - with your inept grin.
I need something more than that if you plan to teach me some correction.
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Originally posted by sonshipI dont need to quote anything. You know the Bible but you dont allow the Bible to talk to you. You allow fallible men to tell you what the Bible says, and you accept what they say rather than what the bible is saying.
You think smiling at me proves your point ?
One Judge there is - the triune God.
The Bibles does not say all are judged at the same time.
That's your lack of understanding speaking - with your inept grin.
I need something more than that if you plan to teach me some correction.
The Bible speaks, many times of
- the great day of the Lord
- the great day of judgment
- God has appointed a day to judge all men
But you arrive at two judgments to satisfy one of your false doctrines. The is the problem with one false doctrine ... the rest of the Bible needs to be twisted and manipulated.
There is no judgment at the start of the 1000 yrs, neither is there need for one. The saints in Christ are raised, meet Christ in the air, and join with Christ to rule over the world. The world is cleaned up, and all opposition put down over the next 1000 yrs and then the judgment seat of Christ takes place. All of humanity are then judged, The righteous enters the New Jerusalem and the wicked are destroyed.
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Originally posted by Rajk999This is wrong.
I dont need to quote anything. You know the Bible but you dont allow the Bible to talk to you. You allow fallible men to tell you what the Bible says, and you accept what they say rather than what the bible is saying.
The Bible speaks, many times of
- the great day of the Lord
- the great day of judgment
- God has appointed a day to judge all men
Bu ...[text shortened]... umanity are then judged, The righteous enters the New Jerusalem and the wicked are destroyed.
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If someone more noble, a more Berean attitude, comes to me asking me to point out why, I might for their sake.
Originally posted by sonshipNot a problem. I have seen your arguments which you think refute the idea of one judgment and they make no sense, and don't mesh with the Bible. So I'm happy if you don't bother repeating it.
This is wrong.
If someone more noble, a more Berean attitude, comes to me asking me to point out why, I might for their sake.
Im really sorry for Christians, like you, who get caught up in this OSAS doctrine and then have to twist the entire Bible so that other doctrines will fall into place, and at the same time preserve your false OSAS doctrine. It just is not possible.
Matt 25 is the judgment of all nations at the end of the millennium. If that occurs at the beginning then, you have the following problems:
- there is no Kingdom .. prepared for you from the foundation of the world for Jesus to welcome these righteous people into.
- there is no lake of fire in which to cast the evil goats as this occurs at the end of the 1000 yrs.
Your failure is not accepting that there are several kinds of Christians, which are laid out by Christ and Paul:
1. Good
2. So-so
3. Evil
Evil ones will be destroyed and will await judgment at the end of the reign of Christ. You, contrary to clear Bible teachings try in vain to twist the Bible so that Matt 25 judgment is at the start of the reign of Christ and these Group 3 Christians are given some other chance, during the millenium. There is no other chance which the Bible speaks of.
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Originally posted by EladarThat makes no sense. There are both good and evil people at that judgment.
According to many theologians, only the damned are going to be at the great white throne judgement.
There are only two groups, those who are saved and those who are damned. God will make the call as to which group each of us belongs.
Where does the Matt 25 judgment fit in, in your opinion.
Originally posted by Rajk999Where does it say both groups are together and receiving individual jusgements? Looks to me that Matthew 25 is simply pronouncement as to the fate of each group.
That makes no sense. There are both good and evil people at that judgment.
Where does the Matt 25 judgment fit in, in your opinion.
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Originally posted by EladarAll nations gathered , and then Christ will separate them. Gathered means that they are together... clearly.
Where does it say both groups are together and receiving individual jusgements? Looks to me that Matthew 25 is simply pronouncement as to the fate of each group.
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: (Matthew 25:31-32 KJV)
Pronouncement as to the fate = judgment?
Or not?
Originally posted by Rajk999This was not much more effective then the little animated grin.
I dont need to quote anything. You know the Bible but you dont allow the Bible to talk to you. You allow fallible men to tell you what the Bible says, and you accept what they say rather than what the bible is saying.
The Bible speaks, many times of
- the great day of the Lord
- the great day of judgment
- God has appointed a day to judge all men
Bu ...[text shortened]... umanity are then judged, The righteous enters the New Jerusalem and the wicked are destroyed.
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Originally posted by Rajk999Jesus does not make the final pronouncement. God the Father makes the final judgement.
All nations gathered , and then Christ will separate them. Gathered means that they are together... clearly.
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be [b]gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divide ...[text shortened]... from the goats: (Matthew 25:31-32 KJV)
Pronouncement as to the fate = judgment?
Or not?[/b]
Originally posted by sonshipYou must be losing it pal. I suggest you take a break from posting.
This was not much more effective then the little animated grin.
Two replies to the same post:
1. This is wrong. If someone more noble, a more Berean attitude, comes to me asking me to point out why, I might for their sake
2. This was not much more effective then the little animated grin.