Originally posted by KellyJaySo if I tell you that I believe that there is plenty of good evidence that humans and dinosoars did not live at the same time would you say:
It is a culture thing not a conspiracy in my opinion,...
1. I am somehow so culturally biased that I cannot correctly interpret the evidence before me.
2. The evidence was concocted by culturally biased scientists..
Originally posted by twhitehead"... the ultimate concpirancy big time in order to deny by any means the Humanity the real, pure knowledge"
So if I tell you that I believe that there is plenty of good evidence that humans and dinosoars did not live at the same time would you say:
1. I am somehow so culturally biased that I cannot correctly interpret the evidence before me.
2. The evidence was concocted by culturally biased scientists..
This was the subject matter I was writing about, I do not think there
is an "ultimate conspiracy" to deny anything, what I was speaking
about is that culture can do that, if evidence suggests to anyone
that humans and dinosaurs lived together they would face some of
the same things brought to bear here against anyone to even hint it
is possible.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJay….what I was speaking
"... the ultimate concpirancy big time in order to deny by any means the Humanity the real, pure knowledge"
This was the subject matter I was writing about, I do not think there
is an "ultimate conspiracy" to deny anything, what I was speaking
about is that culture can do that, if evidence suggests to anyone
that humans and dinosaurs lived together th ...[text shortened]... of
the same things brought to bear here against anyone to even hint it
is possible.
Kelly
about is that culture can do that, if evidence suggests to anyone
that humans and dinosaurs lived together they would face some of
the same things brought to bear here against anyone to even hint it
is possible.
..…
Is what you mean by “that culture” above is “scientific culture”?
If so, then what you say above must be simply wrong because, given the fact that the “scientific culture” basis any explanation of anything on evidence or reason (else I presume it wouldn’t be a ““scientific” culture by definition), hypothetically, if there was real evidence that suggests to anyone that humans and dinosaurs lived together then “scientific culture” would generally accept that humans and dinosaurs probably did lived together PRECISELY BECAUSE of that evidence!
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Originally posted by KellyJayBy this - do you think that scientific methodology is not needed, you believe that man and dino lived together anyway?
"... the ultimate concpirancy big time in order to deny by any means the Humanity the real, pure knowledge"
This was the subject matter I was writing about, I do not think there
is an "ultimate conspiracy" to deny anything, what I was speaking
about is that culture can do that, if evidence suggests to anyone
that humans and dinosaurs lived together th ...[text shortened]... of
the same things brought to bear here against anyone to even hint it
is possible.
Kelly
You really do believe in man/dino synchronicity religiously?
Originally posted by KellyJayI still don't understand what you are saying.
"... the ultimate concpirancy big time in order to deny by any means the Humanity the real, pure knowledge"
This was the subject matter I was writing about, I do not think there
is an "ultimate conspiracy" to deny anything, what I was speaking
about is that culture can do that, if evidence suggests to anyone
that humans and dinosaurs lived together th ...[text shortened]... of
the same things brought to bear here against anyone to even hint it
is possible.
Kelly
You appear to be saying that the evidence I have seen that dinosaurs and humans did not co-exist is a result of culture. Is that what you believe? Or are you simply saying that any counter evidence would be suppressed?
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Originally posted by KellyJayBy this - do you think that scientific methodology is not needed, you believe that man and dino lived together anyway?
"... the ultimate concpirancy big time in order to deny by any means the Humanity the real, pure knowledge"
This was the subject matter I was writing about, I do not think there
is an "ultimate conspiracy" to deny anything, what I was speaking
about is that culture can do that, if evidence suggests to anyone
that humans and dinosaurs lived together th ...[text shortened]... of
the same things brought to bear here against anyone to even hint it
is possible.
Kelly
You really do believe in man/dino synchronicity religiously?
Still waiting fo an answer...
Originally posted by twhitehead"... the ultimate concpirancy big time in order to deny by any means the Humanity the real, pure knowledge"
I still don't understand what you are saying.
You appear to be saying that the evidence I have seen that dinosaurs and humans did not co-exist is a result of culture. Is that what you believe? Or are you simply saying that any counter evidence would be suppressed?
I'm saying that it does not require a conspiracy for people to be
scared off suggesting that they could have lived together.
Kelly
Originally posted by FabianFnasNope, I think the scientific methodology is required; however, I believe
By this - do you think that scientific methodology is not needed, you believe that man and dino lived together anyway?
You really do believe in man/dino synchronicity religiously?
Still waiting fo an answer...
people are not looking at all the evidence with open minds, their minds
are made up about certain topics and people are belittled if they for
a moment question the common views on these things now.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayHow can you in any way scientifically prove that there were dinsoaurs in the ark of Noah?
Nope, I think the scientific methodology is required; however, I believe
people are not looking at all the evidence with open minds, their minds
are made up about certain topics and people are belittled if they for
a moment question the common views on these things now.
Kelly
But I'm very happy that you once again acknowledge your religious view that dinos lived side by side with human beings, and furthermore in biblical times. This makes our debate more interesting.
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Originally posted by FabianFnasCan't prove they were there scientifically, as I cannot show you the Ark
How can you in any way scientifically prove that there were dinsoaurs in the ark of Noah?
But I'm very happy that you once again acknowledge your religious view that dinos lived side by side with human beings, and furthermore in biblical times. This makes our debate more interesting.
let alone who was on it.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayLots of thing can't be proven scientifically...no biggie. Surely, though, you must have some evidence that has led you to believe that dinos and people existed at the same time...yes?
Can't prove they were there scientifically, as I cannot show you the Ark
let alone who was on it.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI just hope your evidence doesn't come from mixed strata, because after 50 or 60 million years, even mountains can be built like the Rockies, that's about the age of the Rockie mountains, so normally you will find human remains at some rather shallow depth and in undisturbed strata, that is to say undisturbed by major mountain building or major earthquakes, the depth of dino remains are ALWAYS much much deeper. Now a person who has no built in bias about the subject will look at say, this neandertal site or that Homo Habilis site, the latter from maybe 1 or 2 million years ago, and find them at say 30 feet buried. But the Dino's would start to be found much much deeper. If they find the two fossils together it is because the strata got disturbed by intervening forces and even there, forensic science can differentiate the ages, which in your own bias you would claim is open to question but since you are not a forensic scientist you have no credibility to make such counter claims unless you have done the work and have your own independent reproducible experiments to refute widely claimed evidence by forensic biologists. Just saying I saw pictures of cave man drawings of stuff that looks like dino's is not evidence of dino's, it's evidence of one of two things or both: My pet theory about past catastrophe myths in most cultures and I have absolutely no real evidence to back me up on this which I freely admit, is this:
I'll put something together for you.
Kelly
I think ancient memories, at least ones that effected early life forms pushed to the edge of extinction, pass on memories buried in genes. What I think is stories about floods and such could have come from times like the one that happened about 6 million years ago when the Mediterranean flood happened, where the land bridge formerly stopping the Atlantic ocean from flooding the Med plains, which are below the ocean level, but at that time some event, probably a major major earthquake broke down the land bridge and that is how the Med got formed but the flood that created it lasted 100,000 years. They know this by the debris path and that flood was a thousand times bigger than Niagra. Now there were protohumans around at that time and I think such an emotionally charged event could be encoded in our genes and transmitted down the ages to our present day. Now about dino's, mammals existed side by side with dino's 70 or more million years ago, even though the mams were about the size of mice, they still had more intelligence than dino's and a shrew sized beastie looking at a dino could have encoded the general shape of the things in those early mam's and the encoded genes which may be part of the 'junk DNA' that came down through the ages may give subconscious messages to ancient humans and through them right up to today which is my take on where drawings that look like Steno's could come from. That kind of answer is a lot more reasonable to me than thinking that just because ancient people had vivid imaginations and drug induced visions and managed to draw something that vaguely looks reptilian or dino like is positively not even CLOSE to real evidence of actual contact between humans of 40,000 years ago and dino's. Hey, they could be tapping into the dark energy of the hidden universe for all we know, but no matter how they got those drawings some people want to interpret as coming from human eyes actually seeing living dino's, that is not in the cards. There are now and never will be direct evidence forensically proven to show modern type or even ancient lineages of humans were ever even close to the time of dinos, their time and our time lines are way too far apart, 60 million years apart for any contact. That is the fact of it as forensic science has show repeatedly. But bring on your evidence, I will look at it.
Originally posted by sonhouseIf you like or dislike my reasons, I don't care! I'm giving my reasons
I just hope your evidence doesn't come from mixed strata, because after 50 or 60 million years, even mountains can be built like the Rockies, that's about the age of the Rockie mountains, so normally you will find human remains at some rather shallow depth and in undisturbed strata, that is to say undisturbed by major mountain building or major earthquakes, ...[text shortened]... ensic science has show repeatedly. But bring on your evidence, I will look at it.
for the beliefs I have, not attempting to win an argument on what you
thnk is valid here.
Kelly
I hear you loud and clear sonhouse. However, KellyJay, to his credit, has alread admitted that he cannot prove his claims...all I asked him to do is demonstrate to me the evidence he used to come to the conclusion(s) he has.
Let's give him a chance to do so. I mean, obviously, his evidence is not going to convince me to go against every respectable scientist in the world and agree that dinos and humans co-habitated the earth, but I'm curious to know what convinced him.
The fact is we are in the Spirituality forum - dissagreements here are not to be "won" or "lost" in any meaningful way becuase all the theist must do is appeal to "goddunit" and the debate is over. However, some level of understanding can be reached, and even if all the understanding we get is that KellyJay is deluding himself...well, that is valuable too.