19 Aug 06
Originally posted by whodeyLMAO @ your reaching.
It is ironic that at the end of the Consitution it records the year of its ratification. "The seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven." Perhaps their Lord they were referring to was Buddah or the Deist God, no?
BIG freaking deal they used the calender date.
19 Aug 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYes your post does speak volumes.
The idiocy of this post speaks volumes relative to your understanding (?) of history.
If you think the declaration of independance formed the US , you are out of your mind ,silly boy, because it didn't even make us free of england, the Revoultionary War did that. And war isn't one of Christ's precepts.
19 Aug 06
Originally posted by whodeyGlad you reminded me of the Pilgrims and Salem, thats a good example of Christian morality getting into politics for you.
I never said Jefferson was a Christian. I thought him to be a Deist. It is no 1maurader that insists that he was a Christian. You can have Paine if you want him. I never said that Paine was a Christian. Neither did I say that ALL the Founding Fathers were Chrisitans. What I said was that 53 of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Indepedence seem to hav ...[text shortened]... s painful for some but the truth is unmistakable. You can view them to be witches if you like.
19 Aug 06
Originally posted by frogstompIf you think the declaration of independance formed the US , you are out of your mind ,silly boy, because it didn't even make us free of england, the Revoultionary War did that.
Yes your post does speak volumes.
If you think the declaration of independance formed the US , you are out of your mind ,silly boy, because it didn't even make us free of england, the Revoultionary War did that. And war isn't one of Christ's precepts.
The War for Independence (mischaracterized by some as the Revolutionary War) was announced by a formal declaration. Does anybody in the class know the name of that declaration?
And war isn't one of Christ's precepts.
Your biblical ignorance is appalling. Check out any number of the Lord Jesus Christ's quotes, as well as Revelation.
20 Aug 06
Originally posted by frogstompSpeaking of the British, did you know that the British blamed the Presbyterians for the Declaration? The exact quote by Horace Walpole, who was a member of Parliament, was, "I fix all the blame of these extraordinary proceedings upon the Presbyterians. They have been the chief and priciple instruments in all these flaming measures. They always do and ever will act against government from restless turbulent spirit which has always distinguished them everywhere." Another quote of his was, "Cousin America has run off with a Presbyterian parson". This particular quote was a reference to a man named John Witherspoon. He was a Presbyterian minister who singed the Declaration. From his arrival in the colonies he was enthusiastic about America and influenced many in regards to the absolutes of Christian truth, law, and liberty. Among his students include James Madison, nine cabinet officers, 21 Senators, 39 congressmen, 3 justices of the Supreme Court, 12 state governers, and 9 signers of the Declaration. John Witherspoon was a strong advocate of the Biblical doctrine of covenants between God and man. He believed that the contracts, compacts, covenants, and constitutions that were being established throughout the colonies, including the Declaration, were agreements between God and man for the glory of God and the welfare of man.
Words are only words you idiot. It took men killing other men to free the country of the King of England... hey I just remembered, didnt one of those boys have a hand in having your holy book translated from Greek to English... ummm I think it's called the King James Bible.
20 Aug 06
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHChristianity co-existed with the "rights of kings" with no problem whatsoever before and after 1776. What do you make of that historical fact?
As a public service, I'll dumb the concept down enough for you to get your grubby little mind around. Prior to the concept of the rights and sovereignty of the self, kings were considered the authority on planet earth.
Something caused that thinking to change. Something informed that impetus. Here's the question: what was the source of that information? Twenty points if you get it right on the first guess; ten if you get the answer from No1.
EDIT: Shocking as it might seem to you, people really don't need an "impetus" to start thinking that they should be free.
20 Aug 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI understand that YOU believe that there is nothing that the human race ever did that is of any importance. So that in your view only the Bible can be any source of wisdom. Therefore, everything done that is of any value by human beings is only based on the Bible.
[b]Where's a "Christian God" in there? Where's Jesus? Where's some Bible quotes?
So, in your esteemed opinion, there must be quotes from the Scriptures in order to ascertain the source of the writer's information? Get real! What else could have possibly informed the framers' writings if not the Bible!?! Your obstinance is laughable.[/b]
I won't bother to point out to a fanatic like you how ahistorical and ridiculous a viewpoint this is as regards to the founding of this country; that would be a waste of time.