Originally posted by robbie carrobieso the only known fact is - homosexual physical actions are unnatural.
I am saying that the Bible does not say. It only mentions homosexual actions as being unnatural.
the reasons why the are unnatural or contrary to nature remain unknown. correct?
any explanations as to why they are considered unnatural or contrary to nature is speculation rather than a biblical fact. correct?
am i understanding you clearly?
Originally posted by stellspalfieno i would not say they are unknown, clearly in the matters of sexuality heterosexuality is considered the natural state of affairs, anything therefore can be measured against this to determine its naturalness or otherwise.
so the only known fact is - homosexual physical actions are unnatural.
the reasons why the are unnatural or contrary to nature remain unknown. correct?
any explanations as to why they are considered unnatural or contrary to nature is speculation rather than a biblical fact. correct?
am i understanding you clearly?
Originally posted by robbie carrobiedoes the bible inform you how or what to compare to define the difference between natural and unnatural?
no i would not say they are unknown, clearly in the matters of sexuality heterosexuality is considered the natural state of affairs, anything therefore can be measured against this to determine its naturalness or otherwise.
would it be fair to say any comparison made is a personal opinion rather than a biblical opinion?
Originally posted by stellspalfiewe are counselled as Christians to use our powers of reason in situations that require it, homosexuality is not one of them, its simply non negotiable.
does the bible inform you how or what to compare to define the difference between natural and unnatural?
would it be fair to say any comparison made is a personal opinion rather than a biblical opinion?
Originally posted by robbie carrobiewe are counselled as Christians to use our powers of reason in situations that require it, homosexuality is not one of them
we are counselled as Christians to use our powers of reason in situations that require it, homosexuality is not one of them, its simply non negotiable.
ha!!!! you might want to re-write that robbie
Originally posted by stellspalfiewhy, its a non issue for us. Now if you want to put it into the pretzel factory of your mind and contort it beyond recognition, then that is your affair.
[b]we are counselled as Christians to use our powers of reason in situations that require it, homosexuality is not one of them
ha!!!! you might want to re-write that robbie[/b]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieso you are saying you dont use the power of reason when it comes to homosexuality? are you sure? earlier you seemed to say the bible encourage you to use your own reason to make comparisons.
why, its a non issue for us. Now if you want to put it into the pretzel factory of your mind and contort it beyond recognition, then that is your affair.
Originally posted by stellspalfiewhat is it about, 'there are certain issues that require discernment and certain issues which dont', that you fail to understand?
so you are saying you dont use the power of reason when it comes to homosexuality? are you sure? earlier you seemed to say the bible encourage you to use your own reason to make comparisons.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieapologies. but my intention is not to entertain. by making sure we are clear on each point. i can start to understand how you guys form the opinions you do and maybe dispel and preconceptions that maybe im bringing to the table.
actually i find it tedious to be honest.
but i dont want to bore you. shall we return to hurling mud at each other?