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Originally posted by DeepThoughtYou cannot be rendered spiritually dead if you are already spiritually dead anymore than you can be rendered dead if you are already dead, now don't be silly.
In the 6th post in this thread you wrote:I think it means that some people are spiritually dead. Jesus admonishment is quite clear, if you are not proclaiming the Kingdom of God you are spiritually dead. I don't see how it can be read any other way.Your argument is that spiritual life is contingent on proclaiming the Kingdom, this m ...[text shortened]... much out of a single line of text. The follow now and not later message is the important part.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo it's correct usage. The rendering is with regard to the logical structure of your argument rather than the timing of their spiritual death.
You cannot be rendered spiritually dead if you are already spiritually dead anymore than you can be rendered dead if you are already dead, now don't be silly.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtlogical structures? My logic is unassailable. I just used logic to refute your assertion, it was easy. I am a logic machine. You cant touch me. There was nothing wrong with the logical structure of my argument, it was your silly argument that logic put to the sword. So far you have attempted to use (Reductio ad absurdum ) with regard to your what happens if everyone is converted argument- refuted by logic. Your render dead argument - refuted by logic. How many times must I refute your arguments with logic until you realise that I am awesome?
No it's correct usage. The rendering is with regard to the logical structure of your argument rather than the timing of their spiritual death.
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-Removed-Yes it is. Its a loaded question because it assumes certain values about the person you are addressing which restricts their replies in a way that suits your agenda. Its about as loaded a question as you can get.
Why do you ask people loaded questions? Do you think that no one will notice?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieRobbie, if you take that kind of line I'll dig out the thread where you demonstrated your inability with logic. It'll take a while but I remember the discussion distinctly.
logical structures? My logic is unassailable. I just used logic to refute your assertion, it was easy. I am a logic machine. You cant touch me. There was nothing wrong with the logical structure of my argument, it was your silly argument that logic put to the sword. So far you have attempted to use (Reductio ad absurdum ) with regard to your what ...[text shortened]... ic. How many times must I refute your arguments with logic until you realise that I am awesome?
With regard to this thread, you failed to understand my argument. By rendered dead I meant that your designated symptom of spiritual death is failure to proclaim the Kingdom of God (PTKG from now). If they are not doing that they are spiritually dead, so if one observes someone not PTKGing then they are rendered dead in one's judgement. This is usage of the word render consistent with the dictionary definitions.
My overall purpose is to demonstrate that your notion of spiritual life is hopelessly narrow. I accuse you of thinking that "knocking on doors" is a proxy for spiritual life. To me spiritual life is an inner thing and not dependent on the existence of supernatural entities (in the usually understood sense of that term). I think you are deceiving yourself if you think evangelism is identifiable with spiritualism.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtMy overall purpose is to demonstrate that your notion of spiritual life is hopelessly narrow. I accuse you of thinking that "knocking on doors" is a proxy for spiritual life. To me spiritual life is an inner thing and not dependent on the existence of supernatural entities (in the usually understood sense of that term). I think you are deceiving yourself if you think evangelism is identifiable with spiritualism.
Well said.