Marital Rape

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you seem to think that coercion through seduction is fine but coercion through threat of violence is not.

Seduction is not coercion.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you seem to think that coercion through seduction is fine but coercion through threat of violence is not.

Do you think coercion through threat of violence is 'not fine'? Would you call it "rape"?

Originally posted by FMF
Seduction is not coercion.

I see you don't think that anyone has ever been seduced against their will or better judgment?

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I will not be made subject to your intellectually stifling chains and shackles and presented with false dichotomy again and again. You have just stated that it impossible for someone to remain morally detached and condone an act and you are now saying the exact opposite, get a grip man!

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Yes but there are degrees or coercion and degrees of consent, are there not?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I see you don't think that anyone has ever been seduced against their will or better judgment?

Successful seduction involves the removal of unwillingness. Someone willingly having had sex against their better judgement was not raped.

Originally posted by FMF
Successful seduction involves the removal of unwillingness. Someone willingly having had sex against their better judgement was not raped.

I see so its the manner in which the unwilling victim is coerced that seems to constitute whether an act may be construed as a rape, not whether they were initially willing or not.

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So there are no degrees of coercion divegeester, really? but FMF has just stated that one can be seduced against one will, this is a type of act of persuasion and surely a degree of coercion.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I see so its the manner in which the unwilling victim is coerced that seems to constitute whether an act may be construed as a rape, not whether they were initially willing or not.

Not at all. It's dead simple. Coerced sex is rape.