-Removed-no i have said no such thing, repeated now for the third time, what i have actually stated is that i don't see how if consent has already been given an act can be construed as rape, i have nowhere stated that there is no such thing as martial rape and i would be pleased if you refrained from your dirty tricks of misrepresentation. I am perfectly willing to have my perspective refuted.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo in other words, you cannot see how there can be such a thing as marital rape because you believe that marriage vows entail giving "consent" that allows a man to force his wife to submit to sexual intercourse against her will, is that your stance?
what i have actually stated is that i don't see how if consent has already been given an act can be construed as rape
Originally posted by FMFno my stance is that if consent has already been given why does it still constitute an act of rape.
So in other words, you cannot see how there can be such a thing as marital rape because you believe that marriage vows entail giving "consent" that allows a man to force his wife to submit to sexual intercourse against her will, is that your stance?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat is "coercion by persuasion"? If the "persuasion" is by blackmail or threats of violence, either physical or psychological, then the ensuing sex is rape. If the persuasion is by seduction, then it is not coercion.
the removal of unwillingness and coercion by persuasion are not one and the same thing,. really FMF, how so?
I need to go to work, before i go i note that both FMF and divesggester have failed to state why remaining morally detached from a position is condoning it despite repeated attempts to make them address the issue, why if consent has been given that it constitutes a rape and why the use of force must be a prerequisite for an act to be constituted as rape, for it appears to me that rape can still take place where no violence has been utilized, for example by drugging an individual. It also appears to me that there are degrees of coercion and degrees of consent and the issue is not as black and white as divesgeester would have us believe.
I take this opportunity to point out that i resent all of divegeesters attempts to moralize over me and to fabricate values I have not professed and I resent all of FMF's attempts to make the debate personal in the hope of scoring some cheap tricks.
I thank Proper Knob for the two easy clan games that he resigned after throwing a tantrum because i would take no moral stance. If anyone else wants to challenge my clan and resign a couple of easy games, let me know.