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    (Matthew 28:19-20) . . .Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

    (Acts 20:20-21)  while I did not hold back from telling you any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house.

    the first is a direct command from Christ, to go to persons of all creeds and nationalities and teach them about God. the gentle reader shall note that teaching takes time and effort, it means spending time with an individual, taking into consideration his background and level of education etc etc. preaching is something quite different.
    Paul shows the method of the first century christians, in that they held public discourses and taught persons from house to house.

    why should these two precedents be important, quite clearly in reflection of the Christs words',

    (Matthew 7:21-23)  “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’  And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.

    please note gentle reader, that the important points are one, doing the will of the father and secondly, one who does not work lawlessness. why should these be important, simply because the will of the father is, that all sorts of men should be saved,

    (1 Timothy 2:3-4) . . .This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.

    however, Paul makes a very salient point in this regard,

    (Romans 10:11-15) . . .For the Scripture says: “None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed.”  For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for there is the same Lord over all, who is rich to all those calling upon him.  For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.”  However, how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith? How, in turn, will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?  How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: “How comely are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”

    this little portion is very interesting, for Paul quotes from the book of Joel, chapter 2:32, which literately states, 'those that are evangelising , are the ones that will be saved.

    now gentle reader it becomes apparent, that those who are 'doing' Gods will , are those that in obedience to Christ's command are helping others to come to an accurate knowledge of truth , through a public ministry.

    now let us ask the question, when was the last time a member of Christendom knocked on your door and asked if you would be interested in learning about the bible? was it a Catholic priest perhaps? a Methodist? a Calvinist? a Presbyterian? a Lutheran? a christadelphian?

    why Gentle reader have they not shown adherence to Christ command? the answer is plain and simple, they are plastic Christians, unwilling to lift their little pinkie, to inconvenience themselves in your behalf!

    yes they like to preach from the comfort of their P.C.. but not one of them has come to your home, personally, as a public service to teach, they are a disgrace and a should be ashamed to take the name of Christ upon themselves, for as he states, he does not know them, for they are workers of lawlessness, unwilling to show love to their fellow men, to teach them publicly and from house to house that the may be saved, not through some lip service, not through some mystical experience, but through an accurate knowledge of truth!
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    25 Aug '09 22:50
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    (Matthew 28:19-20) . . .Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

    (Acts 20:20-21)  while I did not hol ...[text shortened]... service, not through some mystical experience, but through an accurate knowledge of truth!
    This is boring. Why don't you just talk about why Jesus is (or is not) a socialist?
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    25 Aug '09 23:09
    Originally posted by rwingett
    This is boring. Why don't you just talk about why Jesus is (or is not) a socialist?
    its boring to you my friend, i know, but it needs to be said, there are so many plastic, weed like nominal christians that i thought that it was perhaps a clear indication for anyone to make a distinction, for it seems to me, that real Christians should adhere at least to the teachings of the Christ, sorry to bore you.
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    25 Aug '09 23:21
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    its boring to you my friend, i know, but it needs to be said, there are so many plastic, weed like nominal christians that i thought that it was perhaps a clear indication for anyone to make a distinction, for it seems to me, that real Christians should adhere at least to the teachings of the Christ, sorry to bore you.
    It's too many bible passages. Nobody but Jaywill can read a post with five bible passages in it without falling asleep. That's why nobody reads his posts. Now with my posts, I give one or maybe two passages and then give paragraph after paragraph of my highly inventive interpretations. And you know what? The audience LOVES it.

    Stick with me, kid, and you'll go far.
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    25 Aug '09 23:23
    Originally posted by rwingett
    It's too many bible passages. Nobody but Jaywill can read a post with five bible passages in it without falling asleep. That's why nobody reads his posts. Now with my posts, I give one or maybe two passages and then give paragraph after paragraph of my highly inventive interpretations. And you know what? The audience LOVES it.

    Stick with me, kid, and you'll go far.
    you have a point master Ming, but i needed references, what do you think, next time should i just cite them?
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    26 Aug '09 00:32
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    you have a point master Ming, but i needed references, what do you think, next time should i just cite them?
    To give your post a slightly more serious answer, nobody likes people who go preaching door to door. Nobody. They are universally perceived as being freaks. And rightly so. Door to door evangelism is a poor method for converting people. Jesus would not do it.

    It is my considered opinion that a "real" Christian would should not have to waste his time preaching in the first place. The fact that he has to resort to preaching only underscores the bankruptcy of his position. If he made himself an example to emulate then his cause would need no preaching. its worth would be self-evident.
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    Originally posted by rwingett
    It's too many bible passages. Nobody but Jaywill can read a post with five bible passages in it without falling asleep. That's why nobody reads his posts. Now with my posts, I give one or maybe two passages and then give paragraph after paragraph of my highly inventive interpretations. And you know what? The audience LOVES it.

    Stick with me, kid, and you'll go far.
    It's too early for halloween, what's up with the mask? Why do you hate Christians and Catholics so much? Don't you know that evolution is such a sorry agrument? Athiests don't go to Heaven? Here is a link for you so you don't end up this way;
    http://www.videosift.com/video/Fox-regional-sports-Chinese-tree-catching?fromdupe=How-not-to-catch-a-falling-tree
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    26 Aug '09 00:55
    Originally posted by daniel58
    It's too early for halloween, what's up with the mask? Why do you hate Christians and Catholics so much? Don't you know that evolution is such a sorry agrument? Athiests don't go to Heaven? Here is a link for you so you don't end up this way;
    http://www.videosift.com/video/Fox-regional-sports-Chinese-tree-catching?fromdupe=How-not-to-catch-a-falling-tree
    If there's no heaven then Christians won't go there either.
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    26 Aug '09 02:23
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    (Matthew 28:19-20) . . .Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

    (Acts 20:20-21)  while I did not hol ...[text shortened]... service, not through some mystical experience, but through an accurate knowledge of truth!
    I agree whole heartedly with the quote from matthew, but will challange you on your quote from Acts, for that is a cherry picked scripture (and not even remotely applicable). here is the same text from the NLT with a bit more context:

    18 When they arrived he declared, “You know that from the day I set foot in the province of Asia until now 19 I have done the Lord’s work humbly and with many tears. I have endured the trials that came to me from the plots of the Jews. 20 I never shrank back from telling you what you needed to hear, either publicly or in your homes. 21 I have had one message for Jews and Greeks alike—the necessity of repenting from sin and turning to God, and of having faith in our Lord Jesus.


    It is not a command to knock on the doors of strangers and tell them that they are pagans and have no earthly or heavenly hope unless they convert to a particular sect.
    Don't get me wrong, I am all for evangelism, I, as a methodist, have walked nieghborhoods to meet my neighbors and invite them to worship, I just don't knock on doors, I leave an invitation, and usually find people to talk with who are working in their yards. If they are obviously busy and don't want conversation, I leave them alone, to do otherwise is disrespectful and a poor Christian witness.
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    From Matthew 25: 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’

    37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

    40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters,[f] you were doing it to me!’

    41 “Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.[g] 42 For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’

    44 “Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’

    45 “And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’

    46 “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.”




    it is evident that simply knocking on peoples doors is not sufficient in the eyes of God, what other works do you offer the Lord?
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    Originally posted by duecer
    From Matthew 25: 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, ...[text shortened]... g on peoples doors is not sufficient in the eyes of God, what other works do you offer the Lord?
    until you apologise for your slanderous remarks and defamation of character Deucer, i have nothing to say to you.
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    Originally posted by rwingett
    To give your post a slightly more serious answer, nobody likes people who go preaching door to door. Nobody. They are universally perceived as being freaks. And rightly so. Door to door evangelism is a poor method for converting people. Jesus would not do it.

    It is my considered opinion that a "real" Christian would should not have to waste his time pre ...[text shortened]... an example to emulate then his cause would need no preaching. its worth would be self-evident.
    Jesus did do it and i can prove it! in fact he set the pattern, sending the disciples out. have you never read Luke chapter 10 my learned friend?

    (Luke 10:1) . . .After these things the Lord designated seventy others and sent them forth by twos in advance of him into every city and place to which he himself was going to come.
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    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    until you apologise for your slanderous remarks and defamation of character Deucer, i have nothing to say to you.
    I think you should stop talking then (except to fellow JWs). Just about everybody else are coming to realise that JWs are actively not preaching the truth as its stated in the Bible, that Russell was a crooked deceiver and hell-bent on having a bunch of brainless sychophants like yourself to follow after his doctrine of lies.
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    knocking at peoples door does not constitute doing gods will. if you read the bible. its visiting the sick, helping them in need, jesus never said knock at peoples door.
    But he did say use your given gifts, so i take this to be if your gift is looking after the sick, if your gift is to teach then teach the truth, give without reward and god will reward, etc, if you feel right about knocking and talking to people do not say others are wrong not to. remember the sali army help the poor more than most. the r.c. seek out the messages that have been left in there keeping, methodists have great work with all ages in a careing comunity, etc etc




    tho he did say knock and the door will be opened but more to say seek the truth in a personal way to open your heart to him
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    26 Aug '09 10:45
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    until you apologise for your slanderous remarks and defamation of character Deucer, i have nothing to say to you.
    I will apologize if you tell me specifically how I defamed your charachter. I will however expect one in return for all of christendom for your slander.
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