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Originally posted by galveston75Abstain from eating it! Is what is meant. Colossians 2
How else can you take the scripture that says abstain from blood?
16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--
17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
18Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
19and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
20If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
21"Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!"
22(which all refer to things destined to perish with use)--in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
23These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.
Read this JW's it should set you free if you believed it.
Manny
Originally posted by menace71Where is this talking about blood?
Abstain from eating it! Is what is meant. Colossians 2
16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--
17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
18Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-a ...[text shortened]... nst fleshly indulgence.
Read this JW's it should set you free if you believed it.
Manny
Originally posted by duecerWell the rational that we use is because of the Bible's stand on blood which says to "abstain" from it and the only use of blood was in sacrifices which we no longer do.
That the argument of not eating blood is the rational for not recieving a blood transfusion is probably not a good one. I think that is what he is saying.
But as with so many things that God has set very clear laws on in the Bible, man has pushed them aside and stepped ahead of God's laws and do what they want.
Blood has never been approved by God to be used for any health purposes for man. Don't many peoples in some countries actually drink blood from animals supposedly to get strength and good health from? But it would seem that if blood was benificial for us in a healthful way God would not have the restrictions on it that he does. Right?
But it is up to you and others to interpret these laws as you want.
Originally posted by galveston75Are JW's vegetarian?
Well the rational that we use is because of the Bible's stand on blood which says to "abstain" from it and the only use of blood was in sacrifices which we no longer do.
But as with so many things that God has set very clear laws on in the Bible, man has pushed them aside and stepped ahead of God's laws and do what they want.
Blood has never been app ...[text shortened]... that he does. Right?
But it is up to you and others to interpret these laws as you want.
Originally posted by Proper Knobi was vegetarian for maybe six years, but it was not as a result of adopting Christ as a model. i was walking down great western road in the west end of Glasgow when a Hari Krishna offered me a book on a donation basis. i really felt some sympathy for her as everyone was rejecting her on the street, so i gave a donation and received the book, i stopped short of a CD. it was a very interesting book that had quite a profound effect on me and i decided that i would become a vegetarian. i wish i could return to being one, but it simply is not that practical.. My younger brother who is not religious has been a strict vegetarian for years. why do you ask?
Are JW's vegetarian?
Originally posted by galveston75God has not approved organ transplants either. Nor has he approved the use of aspirin as a blood thinner or for headaches. Just because God doesn't address it specifically doesn't mean it is prohibited.
Well the rational that we use is because of the Bible's stand on blood which says to "abstain" from it and the only use of blood was in sacrifices which we no longer do.
But as with so many things that God has set very clear laws on in the Bible, man has pushed them aside and stepped ahead of God's laws and do what they want.
Blood has never been app ...[text shortened]... that he does. Right?
But it is up to you and others to interpret these laws as you want.
Again: I support your right to refuse transfusions, I just disagree
Originally posted by duecerif God said, you must not eat this, does it then give you license to inject it intravenously?
God has not approved organ transplants either. Nor has he approved the use of aspirin as a blood thinner or for headaches. Just because God doesn't address it specifically doesn't mean it is prohibited.
Again: I support your right to refuse transfusions, I just disagree
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie"What I have made clean, Who are you to say it is unclean?"
if God said, you must not eat this, does it then give you license to inject it intravenously?
btw: intravenously injecting pork whether cooked or uncooked would likely kill you
edit; it is not what goes into a man';s mouth that makes him unclean, its what comes out...eh Robbie?
do you obey all of God's purity laws, cuz if you do say goodbye to cheeseburgers:'(
Originally posted by dueceranswer the question Duecer, its not about clean and unclean, eating or drinking, its about degrees of abstention. oh you must abstain from malt whiskey, well hey, let us take it intravenously, that sounds ok?????
"What I have made clean, Who are you to say it is unclean?"
btw: intravenously injecting pork whether cooked or uncooked would likely kill you
edit; it is not what goes into a man';s mouth that makes him unclean, its what comes out...eh Robbie?
do you obey all of God's purity laws, cuz if you do say goodbye to cheeseburgers:'(
Originally posted by galveston7521"Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!"
Where is this talking about blood?
The substance is Christ!
The principle is do not live as to be afraid of don't eat this or don't do that!
Not so much talking about blood but the underlying principle.
If you want to be enslaved by Law then so be it. This however is not what will make you righteous it's Christ who is our righteousness any other way is an insult to God.
Manny
Originally posted by PinkFloydOhhh...the vestments!! Sorry Robbie--I didn't correlate this with what you were saying. Duh! My bad.
I wouldn't know--but if I ever see one, I'll let you know if I'm overcome by the same troubling thoughts.
I never think of the preacher as being scary with his ves....robe on, because it seems that most churches I've attended have had the preacher standing up there in the pulpit, wearing a robe. Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran.....now, while I was married I went to a Baptist church, and the preacher there did NOT wear a robe. Still, I guess that's why they don't scare me--I'm accustomed to it.
Now, if I saw a guy in a robe, waving smoking brass implements emitting incense, I might be startled 🙂 And the time I visited a Church of Christ with a girlfriend, I almost jumped outta my skin when the congregation started jabbering and throwing up their hands and such. Now, with age and maturity, I know that tis is juist another way to worship; but to a 17-year-old "Frozen-Chosen", it was pretty dramatic!
Originally posted by robbie carrobieChrist answers the question for us in matthew 15: 10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "
answer the question Duecer, its not about clean and unclean, eating or drinking, its about degrees of abstention. oh you must abstain from malt whiskey, well hey, let us take it intravenously, that sounds ok?????
12Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?"
13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
15Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."
16"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' "