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Originally posted by robbie carrobieMany people here in the US bank there own blood supply. There was a time when the blood supply was dangerous due to hepetitis, hiv, and other pathogens, they have since stopped paying skid row bums for their blood (anyone actually) and test all blood before its put into usage.
you mean prior to elective surgery, i think its a matter of conscience. believe me Deucer, there are hopsitals in the U.K that use almost five or six times the amount of blood of other hospitals, for it also depends largely on the skill of the surgeon and the technology available. Often its not so much that the techniques are no there or available, ...[text shortened]... cians was unaware of the procedure, its just that they needed their mind opened to alternatives.
I can see your point medically why you would avoid transfusions and I know the scripture references, but I disagree with the interpretation, but you need to answer to your consience, so I support your process. All that said, if it would save my life then i would have one, if I were having scheduled surgery I would bank my own or seek bloodless surgey.
Originally posted by galveston75I'm intrigued by the theists mindset.
If you are here to possible learn that would be one thing but when post after post all you do is criticize then yes I feel I personally am waisting time responding to you. If you have a change of heart, I'm here to talk to you.
Don't think of my posts as criticism, i'm just trying to understand the glaring holes i see in the God hypothesis.
"If it doesn't make scientific sense, and it defies common sense, then it must be nonsense."
Originally posted by menace71The spiritual aspect of not accepting blood transfusions is based on the sanctity of blood and of our relationship to God.
Yeah that was kinda low but explain it for us. galveston said he did in another thread but I don't remember it. How do we get an old testament command not to eat blood from an animal to do not get a blood transfusion? Yes we are very blessed in America despite our greed and what ever else we can say. Wealth beyond measure. I still love America. God did inde ...[text shortened]... s but there is risk in living. Maybe some medical people can weigh in on this subject.
Manny
This is one really big thing that has happened to us humans is forgetting that we will all answer to God sometime in the future. It is inetivable as we know what the Bible says on that. So most humans have let God slip out of their lives and forget how important it is to know what God requires and expects from us and one of the most important is to be clean in his sight. This would be mentally, physically and spiritually. One would see this by reading thru all the laws that were given the Isrealites back in Moses day as well as later scriptures warning against idols, fornication, blood, etc.
In fact God will not hear our prayers if we are not as clean as we can be. In fact.... because of the state we're in, praying thru Jesus is the only way to be heard by God.
But the thing about blood, other then the heart, it is probably spoken of more then any other part of the body in the Bible.
I've looked over material I haven't done in years for this and it is impressive on how many scriptures talk about the sanctity of life and the shedding of blood even in animal life.
But to be sanctified or being accepted by God is something that is spoken of many times in the Bible. One of many is at 1Thes 4:3-8.
I'll cut this short but notice it mentions fornication here as it does in back in Acts 15:28, 29. There it also mentions to abstain from blood in the same sentence.
Again trying to keep this short there are many scriptures speaking of keeping ourselves clean in God's eyes is of utmost importance. Many scriptures show what the only use of blood according to God is accepted and many scriptures on what staying truthful and obeying God can mean for our future life's.
I can write you more on this if you want because I need to keep this short? To late for that huh? Lol.
Originally posted by Proper Knobnobility has been found in you noobster, for this is the best that one can hope for, a mutual understanding! you have went up in my estimation no end, i bow to your objectivity!
I'm intrigued by the theists mindset.
Don't think of my posts as criticism, i'm just trying to understand the glaring holes i see in the God hypothesis.
"If it doesn't make scientific sense, and it defies common sense, then it must be nonsense."
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIf you want to know the meaning of the "great commission", go to http://www.lutheran-in-sc.blogspot.com/
i knew my cunning fox like friend that you would bring this up, but it holds no water, for you will carefully observe the very same verse, which say that if a friend of peace is there then one should stay there, accept there hospitality and teach them. this verse does not state that one should not go from house to house, but that one should not be t ...[text shortened]... f you love people you will survive, if you struggle with it, then it shall be difficult for you.
But if you have a question, "be prepared for an answer", to quote the author. 🙂
Originally posted by PinkFloydthat's strange, i cant see anything relating to mattew 28:19,20, nor Acts 20:20, preaching and teaching the word of God from house to house, very strange indeed considering Christ devoted his entire time on earth to declaring the message of Gods Kingdom, from village to village and sent the apostles ahead of himself to search out deserving ones. very strange indeed. do you have an explanation for this Floyd?
If you want to know the meaning of the "great commission", go to http://www.lutheran-in-sc.blogspot.com/
But if you have a question, "be prepared for an answer", to quote the author. 🙂
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSure---you didn't ask the question. I said that the answers could be found there, but the fellow is a human being--not an oracle who can read minds. You have to ask the question before you can get a reply.
that's strange, i cant see anything relating to mattew 28:19,20, nor Acts 20:20, preaching and teaching the word of God from house to house, very strange indeed considering Christ devoted his entire time on earth to declaring the message of Gods Kingdom, from village to village and sent the apostles ahead of himself to search out deserving ones. very strange indeed. do you have an explanation for this Floyd?
Originally posted by galveston75I understand about the sanctity of blood. The life of flesh is in the blood. Christ shed His blood for our sins! Without blood there is no remission of sins. However we are clean in God's eye's when we put on Christ. This is not a physical cleanness it's spiritual. The law was a School master to drive you into God's grace. Our righteousness is like filthy rags God says. Isa. 64 5-7. You can never be righteous enough! We do acts of righteousness because of our faith in God but not to earn our way into paradise or heaven. It's presumptuous to think you can earn your salvation anyway. As far as being clean physically that's great but check this out. All from Mathew 15
The spiritual aspect of not accepting blood transfusions is based on the sanctity of blood and of our relationship to God.
This is one really big thing that has happened to us humans is forgetting that we will all answer to God sometime in the future. It is inetivable as we know what the Bible says on that. So most humans have let God slip out of thei ...[text shortened]... you more on this if you want because I need to keep this short? To late for that huh? Lol.
2Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread."
11"It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man."
The Heart of Man
15Peter said to Him, "Explain the parable to us."
16Jesus said, "Are you still lacking in understanding also?
17"Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated?
18"But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.
19"For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.
20"These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man."
So there my friend Christ has freed you from wackiness if you will only trust & believe.
Manny
Originally posted by menace71are we simply then to discount the words of the inspired book of Acts, or the words of the ancient Hebrews?
I understand about the sanctity of blood. The life of flesh is in the blood. Christ shed His blood for our sins! Without blood there is no remission of sins. However we are clean in God's eye's when we put on Christ. This is not a physical cleanness it's spiritual. The law was a School master to drive you into God's grace. Our righteousness is like filthy r ...[text shortened]... Christ has freed you from wackiness if you will only trust & believe.
Manny
(Acts 15) . . .Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. . . . .For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favoured adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”
Originally posted by PinkFloydim always troubled by men in white robes carrying crosses, i dont know why, it just freaks me out.
Sure---you didn't ask the question. I said that the answers could be found there, but the fellow is a human being--not an oracle who can read minds. You have to ask the question before you can get a reply.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo we ignore the words of Christ? In Matthew 15 ? There must be some understanding that merges the 2 seemingly contradictory concepts. I agree abstaining from idols and fornication are good and righteous . We have to remember who Paul was writing to. We (US anyway) are living in one of the most clean times in history anyway. It's what come out of a man that defiles him. Out of his heart/mind.
are we simply then to discount the words of the inspired book of Acts, or the words of the ancient Hebrews?
(Acts 15) . . .Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. . . . .For the hol ...[text shortened]... f you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. [b]Good health to you!”[/b]
Manny
Originally posted by menace71How else can you take the scripture that says abstain from blood?
Do we ignore the words of Christ? In Matthew 15 ? There must be some understanding that merges the 2 seemingly contradictory concepts. I agree abstaining from idols and fornication are good and righteous . We have to remember who Paul was writing to. We (US anyway) are living in one of the most clean times in history anyway. It's what come out of a man that defiles him. Out of his heart/mind.
Manny
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Originally posted by menace71The decision that came out of Acts 15 was that of James not Paul in this detail of eating and blood.
Do we ignore the words of Christ? In Matthew 15 ? There must be some understanding that merges the 2 seemingly contradictory concepts. I agree abstaining from idols and fornication are good and righteous . We have to remember who Paul was writing to. We (US anyway) are living in one of the most clean times in history anyway. It's what come out of a man that defiles him. Out of his heart/mind.
Manny
James added his word to the consensus of the apostles and elders.
James was a person really displaying the transition from the old way to the new way. In a sense he had one foot in the Old Testament still and one foot in the New Testament. This is historically understandable.
And his additional advice about abstaining from blood, fornication, and eating blood, while not wrong, carry the flavor of Old Testament law keeping more so than New Testament grace of walking by the Spirit of the indwelling Christ.
Anyway, the decision of the elders and apostles in Jerusalem had the enfluence of James upon it probably more so than that of Paul.