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    do christians believe in the messianic prophecies? do they believe jesus accomplished the prophecies or that he will do so on his return?
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    16 Oct '12 12:31
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    do christians believe in the messianic prophecies? do they believe jesus accomplished the prophecies or that he will do so on his return?
    indeed they do, there are, after all, about 400 or so written in the sacred text.
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    16 Oct '12 12:43
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    indeed they do, there are, after all, about 400 or so written in the sacred text.
    where does the discrepancy between the jews and christians come from regarding jesus's completion of these prophecies?
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    16 Oct '12 13:00
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    where does the discrepancy between the jews and christians come from regarding jesus's completion of these prophecies?
    we accept therm, they reject them, why is hard to say, they always were a stiff
    necked people.
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    16 Oct '12 13:07
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    we accept therm, they reject them, why is hard to say, they always were a stiff
    necked people.
    wasnt the original bible written in hebrew?
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    16 Oct '12 13:18
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    wasnt the original bible written in hebrew?
    yes.
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    16 Oct '12 13:29
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    yes.
    would it be fair to say that as it was written in hebrew that the jewish understanding of the bible would be the correct one? (also bearing in mind the the jews are gods chosen people.)
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    16 Oct '12 13:581 edit
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    would it be fair to say that as it was written in hebrew that the jewish understanding of the bible would be the correct one? (also bearing in mind the the jews are gods chosen people.)
    understanding is one thing, acceptance another. The Hebrews representation as Gods
    people was conditional, their failure to accept Christ, the culmination of the Law and the
    Prophets meant that the Kingdom would be taken from them and given to a nation
    producing its fruits, a new spiritual Israel, the Israel of God. Many Jews did accept
    Christ as the Messiah, the majority for various reasons rejected him and in some cases
    are still waiting for a messiah that has come and gone.
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    16 Oct '12 14:01
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    would it be fair to say that as it was written in hebrew that the jewish understanding of the bible would be the correct one? (also bearing in mind the the jews are gods chosen people.)
    Not only is there absolutely no reason whatsoever to come to that conclusion (that the Jews would be better at understanding something because it is written in their language) but the initial discrepancy has to do with Jesus and his followers who were Jews as well.
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    16 Oct '12 14:42
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Not only is there absolutely no reason whatsoever to come to that conclusion (that the Jews would be better at understanding something because it is written in their language) but the initial discrepancy has to do with Jesus and his followers who were Jews as well.
    i read recently (admittedly it was probably a biased website) that scholars translating the original hebrew text misinterpreted it. an example given was the 'virgin' birth. christians translated the word 'alma' to mean virgin but in hebrew it simply meant 'young girl'. im no expert in this area (far from it) but i dont understand why the christian translation of a hebrew text would have a better understanding than jewish scholars who are trying to understand a text written in a language they fully understand? am i missing something?
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    16 Oct '12 14:50
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    understanding is one thing, acceptance another. The Hebrews representation as Gods
    people was conditional, their failure to accept Christ, the culmination of the Law and the
    Prophets meant that the Kingdom would be taken from them and given to a nation
    producing its fruits, a new spiritual Israel, the Israel of God. Many Jews did accept
    Chri ...[text shortened]... reasons rejected him and in some cases
    are still waiting for a messiah that has come and gone.
    the text i was reading suggested one reason for the jews to think jesus was not the messiah was the prophecy that the messiah will bring world peace. do christians accept this prophecy? do they believe this will happen in the 2nd coming?
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    16 Oct '12 14:57
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    the text i was reading suggested one reason for the jews to think jesus was not the messiah was the prophecy that the messiah will bring world peace. do christians accept this prophecy? do they believe this will happen in the 2nd coming?
    which prophecy is that?
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    16 Oct '12 15:20
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    which prophecy is that?
    isaiah 2:4

    He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore
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    16 Oct '12 15:26
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    isaiah 2:4

    He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore
    its better to view the scripture in context,

    (Isaiah 2:2-4) . . .And it must occur in the final part of the days that the
    mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of
    the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the
    nations must stream.  And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, you
    people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of
    Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For out
    of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem.  And he will
    certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting
    many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their
    spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will
    they learn war anymore.


    where is the messianic part of this prophecy?
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    16 Oct '12 16:00
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    its better to view the scripture in context,

    (Isaiah 2:2-4) . . .And it must occur [b]in the final part of the days
    that the
    mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of
    the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the
    nations must stream.  And many peoples will cer ...[text shortened]... ation, neither will
    they learn war anymore.


    where is the messianic part of this prophecy?[/b]
    in christianity is this passage not a prophecy regarding the end days and jesus's rule on earth?
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