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Originally posted by galveston75Sorry, I'm still a bit confused. 'Sinning daily' sounds exactly like 'doing it over and over by choice' to me.
Again we all sin daily. Who of us don't think about things that we shouldn't? Who of us have not been tempted to steal something at work? Just a pen or two? Have you never gotten so mad at someone that you wished they didn't exist? Have you never looked at another man or woman in a way you shouldn't? Do you go to church as the Bible commands? Accidently the elders to keep the congregations clean and expel ones that could cause harm to them.
I think most Christians would say that merely being tempted to do wrong is not sinful. It seems that your point is to differentiate between temptation and sinful acts. However, when you say 'we all sin daily' it sounds like you think that everyone often fails to stop at mere temptation, and thus everyone is a repetitive sinner, and thus they have little moral high ground to stand on to expel other repetitive sinners.
Originally posted by galveston75i know, i can only quote , Daffy Duck, 'its dithpicable'!
But yet with all these warnings directly from God...many including some religious leaders and so called Christian religions, say it's ok..Go ahead and do what you want because Jesus loves you all...
What a sad state of morals and mentality they've sunk too!!!
Originally posted by robbie carrobieInteresting concept ... but isn't moral accountability weakened or destroyed if an action is involuntary?
I find, then, this law in my case: that when I wish to do what is right, what is bad is present with me. I really delight in the law of God according to the man I am within, but I behold in my members another law warring against the law of my mind and leading me captive to sins law - Romans 7:21-23
thus what Paul is highlighting in this verse is ...[text shortened]... hat it is the case , the second the result of inherited imperfection from the forefather Adam.
"Your honor ... I plead not guilty ... on grounds that the murder was an involuntary sin on my part."
Originally posted by SwissGambitIt isn't any man on this earth that will judge us, only God. And he understands our weeknesses like no man can. Just don't test him...
Interesting concept ... but isn't moral accountability weakened or destroyed if an action is involuntary?
"Your honor ... I plead not guilty ... on grounds that the murder was an involuntary sin on my part."
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI agree that homosexuality is a sin. No amount of twisting of the Bible can ever change that.
actually Duecer i cannot believe anything those persons wrote, like at the first one, Jesus says nothing about homosexuality, therefore its alright, its nonsense, eunuchs are the same as homosexuals in that they are born that way, more nonsense, eunuch was a physical state, not a so called life style choice, and please don't get me started on the ge ...[text shortened]... yes i like that bit, its convenient for me, oh i don't like Paul, hes not convenient for me?
The issue here is the disfellowshipping of sinful members of the church. Why is it that apparently only gay people ask to leave certain churches ?
Originally posted by robbie carrobiesort of my point though. We so easily condemn those who are gay, yet we say nothing of those in our midst who don't tithe, or gossip about their neighbors (bear false witness etc...). Why is this sin any worse than all the other sins that people commit daily? If this is a sin, how will people ever grow enough in the lord to release themselves form it if we toss them from church? Too often we create filters at the doors of our churches that say "if you're not like me, you're not welcome"...pretty sorry way to spread the gospel if you ask me.
are we to pick and choose from the Bible like it was some kind of convenience store? yes i like that bit, its convenient for me, oh i don't like Paul, hes not convenient for me?
love the sinner, hate the sin
Originally posted by Rajk999Raj..Your not reading all the post. Yes others can and probably will be disfellowshipped that practise other gross sins..
I agree that homosexuality is a sin. No amount of twisting of the Bible can ever change that.
The issue here is the disfellowshipping of sinful members of the church. Why is it that apparently only gay people ask to leave certain churches ?
Originally posted by duecerIf you follow the Bible's filters you would be doing the right thing..
sort of my point though. We so easily condemn those who are gay, yet we say nothing of those in our midst who don't tithe, or gossip about their neighbors (bear false witness etc...). Why is this sin any worse than all the other sins that people commit daily? If this is a sin, how will people ever grow enough in the lord to release themselves form it if we to ...[text shortened]... me"...pretty sorry way to spread the gospel if you ask me.
love the sinner, hate the sin
Originally posted by SwissGambityes it is certainly diminished, take for example your illustration of murder, this in itself cannot be involuntary, for murder is pre mediated, and thus carries the severest penalties, involuntary manslaughter however does not, because it is not pre meditated and me simply have been the result of an accident. even the mosaic law, old as it is, distinguishes between the two. thus if you take your axe and cosh it over someone's head deliberately, its murder, but if you are chopping a tree down and the axe head slides off and coshes someone on the head and kills them, you had a chance to go to the city magistrates and explain what happened.
Interesting concept ... but isn't moral accountability weakened or destroyed if an action is involuntary?
"Your honor ... I plead not guilty ... on grounds that the murder was an involuntary sin on my part."
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Originally posted by dueceryes we are under duress to love persons of all sorts, but we are under no duress to love what they do, if the person is willing to bring their lives into harmony with Biblical principles then all is well, they are washed clean, if however they are aware of the principles, yet insist on establishing their own criteria, then remove the man from among yourselves Paul stated, thus the 'chastity' of the congregation which is due the Christ, in relation to biblical principles may be maintained, repentance is the key, no one can be removed if they acknowledge their mistake and try to readjust their life.
sort of my point though. We so easily condemn those who are gay, yet we say nothing of those in our midst who don't tithe, or gossip about their neighbors (bear false witness etc...). Why is this sin any worse than all the other sins that people commit daily? If this is a sin, how will people ever grow enough in the lord to release themselves form it if we to me"...pretty sorry way to spread the gospel if you ask me.
love the sinner, hate the sin
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI would say a purely accidental killing [no negligence involved] is not a sin at all, and thus that example is immaterial to our discussion.
yes it is certainly diminished, take for example your illustration of murder, this in itself cannot be involuntary, for murder is pre mediated, and thus carries the severest penalties, involuntary manslaughter however does not, because it is not pre meditated and me simply have been the result of an accident. even the mosaic law, old as it is, dist head and kills them, you had a chance to go to the city magistrates and explain what happened.
Can you give me an example of an involuntary sin?