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oh, so many issues you have, for us, we have read the scriptures, we have clearly discerned that the act of homosexuality is wrong, its that simple. if someone struggles with it, they shall be given guidance, that with prayerful reliance on Gods word and help from the Holy spirit, shall aid them. the only way someone is removed, is for non repentance, which is discerned from their actions and their attitude, in other words, they bring it on themselves. we are completely entitled to apply biblical standards which adhere to the word of God, in order to keep the congregation clean. are you unaware that those who are teachers will render an account to God, therefore, they are under duress to keep it clean!
what is it you do not understand about the difference between a Law and a principle?
i do not know the principle behind blended garments, i have never needed to look it up.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou avoid the question:
oh, so many issues you have, for us, we have read the scriptures, we have clearly discerned that the act of homosexuality is wrong, its that simple. if someone struggles with it, they shall be given guidance, that with prayerful reliance on Gods word and help from the Holy spirit, shall aid them. the only way someone is removed, is for non repentan ...[text shortened]... iple?
i do not know the principle behind blended garments, i have never needed to look it up.
"Do you allow them to remain in your congregation? If so, why is it different for homosexuals?"
Why do you allow the gluttonous in your congregation? Are you saying that you cannot clearly discern that it is wrong also? Is a glutton who continues to overeat truly repentant or merely remorseful? You do not explain how it is different for homosexuals.
Your position is incoherent.
You also avoid these questions:
"Explain how the 'principle' of wearing blended garments remains valid? Explain how this isn't "picking and choosing".
You make the claim that "the principles remain valid", yet now say that you "do not know the principle behind blended garments".
Your position is incoherent.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie[b]perhaps in the Catholic church or elsewhere, i do not know, but the scriptures clearly indicate that a shepherd (elder), should know and look after the flock and know its appearance![/b]
perhaps in the Catholic church or elsewhere, i do not know, but the scriptures clearly indicate that a shepherd (elder), should know and look after the flock and know its appearance!
You ought to know positively the appearance of your flock. Set your heart to your droves, Proverbs 27:23
I have no idea what the Catholic Church has to do with this. Indeed, it is one of the few churches which does deny Communion to sinners.
And I think it unrealistic for a priest/elder/minister to know each member of his congregation. In any mainstream church there could be hundreds of worshippers. And even granted that the minister did know each person in his flock, it would be impossible for him to know the state of their souls. Quite possibly the sinner has experienced a last-minute metanoia or perhaps the person's sins are the result of genes or compulsive habits formed in childhood. No minister could accurately judge whether the person really is in a state of sin.
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneon the contrary my position is perfectly clear. a person that is a dedicated member of the congregation that succumbs to a serious sin, whether it is gluttony, immorality, homosexuality whatever, shall be given the opportunity and assistance that is needed to help them overcome their particular problem, if they refuse the help, they are clearly unrepentant and shall be removed, until such times as they demonstrate repentance, in accord with Biblical standards.
You avoid the question:
"Do you allow them to remain in your congregation? If so, why is it different for homosexuals?"
Why do you allow the gluttonous in your congregation? Are you saying that you cannot clearly discern that it is wrong also? Is a glutton who continues to overeat truly repentant or merely remorseful?
Your position is incoherent. "do not know the principle behind blended garments".
Your position is incoherent.
if a person is a homosexual, glutton, idolater, whatever and wishes to become part of the congregation, they also must bring their lives into harmony with biblical standards before they can be accepted as a dedicated member, if they do not, they are free to come and go how they please, but cannot be a representative of the congregation until they show genuine repentance by conforming their actions to clearly defined Biblical standards.
i shall research the principle behind the blending of garments, if it exists, seeing that you are so taken by it.
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Originally posted by Conrau KSorry i was unaware of this, please accept my apology
[b][b]perhaps in the Catholic church or elsewhere, i do not know, but the scriptures clearly indicate that a shepherd (elder), should know and look after the flock and know its appearance![/b]
I have no idea what the Catholic Church has to do with this. Indeed, it is one of the few churches which does deny Communion to sinners.
And I think it unr childhood. No minister could accurately judge whether the person really is in a state of sin.[/b]
is it not much more practical to have a body of shepherds, after the pattern of the apostles, who are able to care and look after the interests of the respective members, to state that it is not practical is a very serious and poor excuse, for Christ admonished Peter three times, 'look after my little sheep!'.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou believe homosexuality is a serious sin?
on the contrary my position is perfectly clear. a person that is a dedicated member of the congregation that succumbs to a serious sin, whether it is gluttony, immorality, homosexuality
If i'm gay will i not get into heaven?
Originally posted by galveston75yeah...openly gay people are soooooo comfortable talking about their private life🙄 People who come to worship God are always welcome. If they are breaking the law (murderers), then I suppose they will end up in jail. As far as i know homosexuality isn't against the law. But for the recoed, I would be grossly offended if someone were bragging about their new Porsche or BMW, especially in front of the single mom, at coffee hour. People with a greedy herat are far more offensive to god...otherwise why would Christ have spent so much of his ministry talking about money and social justice?
So it's ok with you to have a openly gay man with their boyfriend, a murderer, a thief, a drunkard, etc, setting next to you at church every week and openly taking about it to everyone that can hear including small children? And the so called priest or whatever saying it's ok to be there? Probably as long as the put money in the collection plate I'm sure...
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Originally posted by duecerits a great point you make Deucer, that even when purchasing a car , a Christian would want to take into consideration, how it may affect the consciences of others.
yeah...openly gay people are soooooo comfortable talking about their private life🙄 People who come to worship God are [b]always welcome. If they are breaking the law (murderers), then I suppose they will end up in jail. As far as i know homosexuality isn't against the law. But for the recoed, I would be grossly offended if someone were bragging about th ...[text shortened]... ise why would Christ have spent so much of his ministry talking about money and social justice?[/b]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieyou've clearly discerned that homosexuality is wrong? how so? If wearing blended garments is okay, then explain why please. If Gluttony is okay then explain why please. If planting different seeds in your garden is okay then explain why please. If eating Pork is okay..yadda yadda. Get the picture? If your argument is science, or common sense, then homosexuality deserves the same treatment. Psychologists say that homosexuality falls within normal behavior, and that their sexual identity is biological.
oh, so many issues you have, for us, we have read the scriptures, we have clearly discerned that the act of homosexuality is wrong, its that simple. if someone struggles with it, they shall be given guidance, that with prayerful reliance on Gods word and help from the Holy spirit, shall aid them. the only way someone is removed, is for non repentan ...[text shortened]... iple?
i do not know the principle behind blended garments, i have never needed to look it up.