Most vile concept/aspect of christianity?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
What did Mary do to deserve her immaculate conception?

I don't see what dessert has to do with it anyway. We don't deserve grave via baptism either, but God allows us to receive it that way.

She didn't deserve it, but she had to have one for some reason having to do with the transmission of original sin. She was just as worthless as the rest of us except that she was to become a handy, dandy carrying case for foetus Jesus.

Originally posted by no1marauder
She didn't deserve it, but she had to have one for some reason having to do with the transmission of original sin. She was just as worthless as the rest of us except that she was to become a handy, dandy carrying case for foetus Jesus.

And, if I am to understand LH, she gave consent for this exploitation prior to even existing.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
What did Mary do to deserve her immaculate conception?

I don't see what dessert has to do with it anyway. We don't deserve grave via baptism either, but God allows us to receive it that way.

Mary gave her assent at the Annunciation.

(You need to check your keypad)

Why do you say we don't deserve grace via baptism? From God's perspective, nothing is done without considerations of Justice being satisfied.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
In what other realm would precedence operate, such that Mary's consent could precede her existence?

It would be like in the Terminator where the guy is sent back in time by John Conner and winds up being John Conner's father in the past.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
In what other realm would precedence operate, such that Mary's consent could precede her existence?

From God's perspective, as a being outside Time.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Mary gave her assent at the Annunciation.

Prior to existing?

Originally posted by lucifershammer
From God's perspective, as a being outside Time.

What is the nature of precedence in this realm? What does it mean for one event to precede another?

Originally posted by no1marauder
She didn't deserve it, but she had to have one for some reason having to do with the transmission of original sin. She was just as worthless as the rest of us except that she was to become a handy, dandy carrying case for foetus Jesus.

Partly right - but she wasn't just the "carrying case" for Jesus, she gave him flesh and blood.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Prior to existing?

From God's perspective, there is no "prior".

Originally posted by lucifershammer
From God's perspective, nothing is done without considerations of Justice being satisfied.

Do you believe the hurricane was sent to New Orleans to punish the hedonists?

If not, what justice was served by that event?

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Mary gave her assent at the Annunciation.

(You need to check your keypad)

Why do you say we don't deserve grace via baptism? From God's perspective, nothing is done without considerations of Justice being satisfied.

What consideration of justice is there in that infant A gets baptized and is now freed from original sin and identical twin infant B doesn't and is still under original sin? The whole thing is rather absurd and arbitrary; certainly no way for an all-powerful deity to arrange things.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
What is the nature of precedence in this realm? What does it mean for one event to precede another?

You'll have to ask the Guy Upstairs.

Alternatively, you can wait till the Judgement.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Partly right - but she wasn't just the "carrying case" for Jesus, she gave him flesh and blood.

Since zygote Jesus is an entirely seperate entity from conception according to you, I don't see why that would matter.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
From God's perspective, there is no "prior".

Then you must conclude that there is no free will, and that we merely suffer it as an illusion. You must conclude that we actually make no choices, because we have no alternatives. It is logically impossible for us to not do what God knows we will do, and what is logically impossible does not constitute an alternative.

Originally posted by no1marauder
What consideration of justice is there in that infant A gets baptized and is now freed from original sin and identical twin infant B doesn't and is still under original sin? The whole thing is rather absurd and arbitrary; certainly no way for an all-powerful deity to arrange things.

I'd say you're in no position to judge how an all-knowing, all-powerful deity can or should arrange things.