movement to atheism

@fmf said
"Scared"? How so?

You said you knew what I was going to say, you have heard it all before. Yet you
didn't actually dive into the link I gave you. It isn't hard to see why you never see
anything new when you refuse to look.

@fmf said
I am yet to listen to Christian creationists propagating their stuff about things like "intelligent design" and a "young earth"?

You ask questions you get answers. You listen to Atheist propagating about the
material world don't you? Opposing views are just that, if you want to see the
weaknesses of your views are you going to hear a good account of them from
like believers, or those that disagree with you?

Again, you went on and on about my views of science and faith, attempting even
to drag others in on your side. You are getting what you asked for, why not take
the time to listen to just one? Just so you know the speaker isn't even a
scientist, instead he is a lawyer looking at the arguments and data used to make
points. He spends most of his time talking about evolution and the book
Blind Watchmaker looking at Dawkins defense for evolution. It is a compressive
discussion covering a lot of topics and issues.

This is a much shorter talk I've posted before but doubt you watched.
Reasons for faith, Duke watched it, didn't agree with it but thought he spoke well.

YouTube Stephen C. Meyer

@kellyjay said
You said you knew what I was going to say, you have heard it all before. Yet you
didn't actually dive into the link I gave you. It isn't hard to see why you never see
anything new when you refuse to look.

Why would I be "scared"?

@kellyjay said
You ask questions you get answers. You listen to Atheist propagating about the
material world don't you? Opposing views are just that, if you want to see the
weaknesses of your views are you going to hear a good account of them from
like believers, or those that disagree with you?

"Science" and "superstition" are two different realms.

@kellyjay said
Again, you went on and on about my views of science and faith, attempting even
to drag others in on your side.

"Attempting to drag others to [my] side"? What are you talking about? Who are you talking about? "Others"? Who?

@kellyjay said
This is a much shorter talk I've posted before but doubt you watched.
Reasons for faith, Duke watched it, didn't agree with it but thought he spoke well.

[youtube]l_byj9X_dmM[/youtube] Stephen C. Meyer

Ok. I'll see how it fares on the Science Forum.

@fmf said
"Science" and "superstition" are two different realms.

I would categorize the two different views not some much as science vs
superstition, but instead the differences between Materialism and Theistic world
views. The starting places one has when using science isn't changing the science, it
only colors the findings. Applying science to view an idea, process, or whatever
doesn’t automatically change science into something less than, simply due to the
preconceived ideas the researcher has.

What will be important is if they follow strict rules in testing and documentation
attempting to cover all the bases they are studying fairly and completely. What will
cause wrong or inaccurate conclusions even if all findings are honestly presented,
will be bias at the beginning that each one who looks at the data will have. No
matter what they find the first hurtle in an honest assessment of data will be one’s
own assumed notions.

We all view the universe with our world views, they color whatever we see and
hear. Dismissing out of hand anything someone has presented due to their
motivation isn’t looking at the data, it’s just prejudging on the bases of bias
against that person, not the data, not the conclusion, attacking motivations of the
person completely misses the points made, be they valid or otherwise.

So two different realms, no, two different world views yes. We don't walk on
two different planets, we don't have our being in two different universes.

@fmf said
Ok. I'll see how it fares on the Science Forum.

Looking for back up because you cannot think this through on your own?
I wonder how much of the disapproval of those who give it will be about the data
and about the person?

@fmf said
"Attempting to drag others to [my] side"? What are you talking about? Who are you talking about? "Others"? Who?

You made it a point, to point out to others here the things I said by committing to
them. Not about the topic, but about me. It isn't surprising if you send one of the
links to others too, DRAGGING them to your side. You should learn to think for
yourself!

@kellyjay said
. Applying science to view an idea, process, or whatever
doesn’t automatically change science into something less than, simply due to the
preconceived ideas the researcher has.

Preconceived ideas will dictate what the experiment is but NOT the results.

@kellyjay said
You made it a point, to point out to others here the things I said by committing to
them. Not about the topic, but about me. It isn't surprising if you send one of the
links to others too, DRAGGING them to your side. You should learn to think for
yourself!

I agree with what those people I mentioned have said in discussions with you about evolutionary science. I am not "dragging" them anywhere.

And as for cassaid4's observation about you seemingly being insecure, that was unsolicited and not the result of me "dragging" anyone.

@kellyjay said
Looking for back up because you cannot think this through on your own?

No, not looking for "back up". Just looking forward to seeing how your video clips fare on a thread on the Science Forum.

@kellyjay said
I wonder how much of the disapproval of those who give it will be about the data
and about the person?

We shall see once you've started the thread. The people on the Science Forum are likely to be interested in "data" and the scientific approach generally. We shall see if they abandon all that and just disapprove of you as a person instead.

@fmf said
No, not looking for "back up". Just looking forward to seeing how your video clips fare on a thread on the Science Forum.

You have no mind of your own so that another must tell you what your allowed to think?

@fmf said
I agree with what those people I mentioned have said in discussions with you about evolutionary science. I am not "dragging" them anywhere.

And as for cassaid4's observation about you seemingly being insecure, that was unsolicited and not the result of me "dragging" anyone.

Yes good for you someone else spoke up with the guts to express their opinions! Crying shame you don’t have the guts to look at some of the things you repentedly asked for, for yourself. Maybe you can tell others to share with you what is acceptable to think about the links, and by way if want those links in the science forum you put them there.