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Originally posted by KellyJayNo I did not deny it, as you well know. I was a Christian, as I have made clear several times. I said these things in posts addressed to you.
You as I pointed out you haved denied you have ever had a relationship with
God, you therefore cannot claim to have been a Christian.
You can claim you were a follower of some man made org, but being a Christian no.
I don't know what you're talking about. I have explained that I was a Christian, several times, in posts addressed directly to you.
I'm quite sure when you do stand before Christ you will also hear the words, "Depart from me I never knew you." reason being, you never knew him!
This gets back to the question of mine you ignored: If, for the sake of argument, Mother Teresa lost her faith in her final years, you would look at that and say she was never a Christian her whole life long?
Originally posted by FMFYou've claimed to be a Christian, anyone can do that! What you have also
No I did not deny it, as you well know. I was a Christian, as I have made clear several times. I said these things in posts addressed to you.
[b]You can claim you were a follower of some man made org, but being a Christian no.
I don't know what you're talking about. I have explained that I was a Christian, several times, in posts addressed directly to ...[text shortened]... final years, you would look at that and say she was never a Christian her whole life long?[/b]
said was what you had was not real! So you were really never a Christian,
you were just acting or playing a part, it was never real, you never knew
Jesus. You've called him a book, your claims about Him now show you never
knew Him, if you ever bothered to actually study scripture you'd know that
the Bible speaks about people following another Jesus, 2 Corinthians 11:4
that was what you had, not the real deal, not the Son of God made flesh who
saves us from our sins. I can see why you'd want to walk away from that, but
don't claim what you had was real, what you walked away from was not.
Kelly
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Originally posted by FMF[/b]You are asking can someone who knows Jesus Christ be lost, I'd say no.
[b]So it boils down to did you have a relationship with God yes or no?
Yes.
If no than you cannot really say you've been a Christian and now reject the notion of God altogether.
I was a Christian, as I have told you several times.
You can say that if you've never had a relationship with God, but
once you've met Him that is something y r final years, you would look at that and say she was never a Christian her whole life long?
This world, the devil and all his power, people pressures cannot rob one of
Jesus Christ or steal one away from Jesus.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayYou claim to be a Christian. I have accepted your claim in good faith. I am not sure why you are not returning the courtesy?
You've claimed to be a Christian, anyone can do that!
What you have also said was what you had was not real!
I have said nothing of the sort.
So you were really never a Christian, you were just acting or playing a part, it was never real, you never knew Jesus.
I have told you repeatedly that I was and that it was real.
You've called him a book
I have not said this or anything like this. Why are you making assertions like these?
...your claims about Him now show you never knew Him, if you ever bothered to actually study scripture you'd know that the Bible speaks about people following another Jesus...
What claims about Him? What are you talking about?
I have studied scripture. What are you on about, Kelly?
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Originally posted by KellyJayThe question you have skirted round now for the third time is not about "the devil" but is about one of the world's most famous Christians, at least in recent times, and that is Mother Teresa. Here it is once more: If, for the sake of argument, Mother Teresa did lose her faith in her final years [as has been suggested in an earlier post, although not everybody accepts it, so IF she did...], would you look at her and say she was never a Christian her whole life long?
You are asking can someone who knows Jesus Christ be lost, I'd say no.
This world, the devil and all his power, people pressures cannot rob one of
Jesus Christ or steal one away from Jesus.
Originally posted by FMFSorry my bad, I am in the middle of another conversation in this thread and
You claim to be a Christian. I have accepted your claim in good faith. I am not sure why you are not returning the courtesy?
[b]What you have also said was what you had was not real!
I have said nothing of the sort.
So you were really never a Christian, you were just acting or playing a part, it was never real, you never knew Jesus.
I h ...[text shortened]... ut Him? What are you talking about?
I have studied scripture. What are you on about, Kelly?[/b]
thought I was replying to another...my mistake, again sorry.
Kelly
Originally posted by FMFI did not skirt the question, I was very clear...no one can take another away
The question you have skirted round now for the third time is not about "the devil" but is about one of the world's most famous Christians, at least in recent times, and that is Mother Teresa. Here it is once more: If, for the sake of argument, Mother Teresa did lose her faith in her final years [as has been suggested in an earlier post, although not everybody a ...[text shortened]... IF she did...], would you look at her and say she was never a Christian her whole life long?
from Jesus Christ not any power, not any trial, Jesus is greater. That isn't
saying we will not struggle, but to become lost after we belong to Him, it will
not happen. There are more than a few people who are walking and talking like
they are Christians and trails of this life will show them for what they are no
matter what the reast of us think of them.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayThis is obviously a response to me, so I'll answer it.
You've claimed to be a Christian, anyone can do that! What you have also
said was what you had was not real! So you were really never a Christian,
you were just acting or playing a part, it was never real, you never knew
Jesus. You've called him a book, your claims about Him now show you never
knew Him, if you ever bothered to actually study scripture y rom that, but
don't claim what you had was real, what you walked away from was not.
Kelly
Sure ... anyone can merely claim to be a Christian, but I backed it up with action.
I never said that what I had was not real.
I take exception to the claim I was never a Christian - again, you don't get to define that for everyone else. My definition is that a Christian is a follower of Christ. That does not mean accepting every statement attributed to him nor accepting every doctrine of those who acted in his name.
I was NOT just acting or playing a part. I sincerely believed. I think I'm more qualified to assess my own level of sincerity than you.
I did not call 'him' a book. I had a relationship with Jesus through inspiration derived from the stories about him. Your assessment is too simple-minded.
Who were the people who Jesus knew? The ones who 'did unto the least of these'. There's nothing in that parable about having actual conversations with Jesus. Who were the people who loved Jesus? The ones who kept his commandments. Again, nothing about conversing there.
I DID believe Jesus saves us from our sins. I also believed that God was the creator of the universe.
What I had was real to me, and that's the only standard that matters. I refuse to let you dictate what is real and what is not. Sorry, but you simply lack the credentials to specify this for others.
Originally posted by KellyJayWell, sorry, you are skirting the question as long as you offer answers that pointedly avoid mentioning Mother Teresa. I asked about her. If you don't want to answer my question about Mother Teresa, then it's up to you. Just don't claim your view on Mother Teresa "was very clear".
I did not skirt the question...
