Spirituality
13 May 12
22 May 12
Originally posted by KellyJayI believe what I had before was having a relationship through my prayers and praying with others, and by reading the Bible for inspiration. I was taught that it is a living book that can speak to you in new ways, even in passages you've read before. That's what I came to accept as a relationship.
So if I understand you now, you believe what you had before was a lie, or
was not true, because NOW you think it never happened?
Kelly
So, even though I no longer believe in God, I don't need to deny that any of that happened.
22 May 12
Originally posted by karoly aczelDo you have some more corroborative evidence of this?
They sure do.
It all sounds nice to someone who's a bit green, but after people get a bit wiser they realize the division that the JW's create , also their limited teachings, hierarchy,etc. which all paint a negative picture of the JW's
22 May 12
Originally posted by karoly aczelIt would be good to hear what Galveston has to say in response to my post.
They sure do.
It all sounds nice to someone who's a bit green, but after people get a bit wiser they realize the division that the JW's create , also their limited teachings, hierarchy,etc. which all paint a negative picture of the JW's
22 May 12
Originally posted by SwissGambitSo your relationship was with a living book, okay that is not Jesus Christ, so
I believe what I had before was having a relationship through my prayers and praying with others, and by reading the Bible for inspiration. I was taught that it is a living book that can speak to you in new ways, even in passages you've read before. That's what I came to accept as a relationship.
So, even though I no longer believe in God, I don't need to deny that any of that happened.
your honest answer should still be no I really never had one.
Kelly
22 May 12
Originally posted by FMFThe point of getting right with God is a restored relationship with Him, Jesus
You'll have to explain that again. It doesn't make any sense.
died and rose again not so we can go to a "church" on Sunday or any other
day of the week. Jesus died and rose again so we could be forgiven and to
walk in fellowship with God being born of the Spirit of God, so that we can
worship Him in Spirit and truth, to walk with God and learn from Him. God
destroyed the very thing that kept us from Him, it was not so we would be left
to ourselves to figure it all out.
God is the very best part of being a Christian!
If you never met Him by being forgiven and turned your life over to Him, you
are living a life of rules and regs others have given you and you've picked up
for yourself, you've missed the point, and the very best part!
So it boils down to did you have a relationship with God yes or no? If no than
you cannot really say you've been a Christian and now reject the notion of God
altogether. You can say that if you've never had a relationship with God, but
once you've met Him that is something you'd never say.
Kelly
22 May 12
Originally posted by KellyJayHow do you know God is not just another voice in your head?
The point of getting right with God is a restored relationship with Him, Jesus
died and rose again not so we can go to a "church" on Sunday or any other
day of the week. Jesus died and rose again so we could be forgiven and to
walk in fellowship with God being born of the Spirit of God, so that we can
worship Him in Spirit and truth, to walk with God an ...[text shortened]... elationship with God, but
once you've met Him that is something you'd never say.
Kelly
22 May 12
Originally posted by karoly aczelWho told you there were voices? You realize that the Lord God Creator can get His
How do you know God is not just another voice in your head?
points across better than anyone. The One who created our ears, brains, and so on
knows how to make Himself known and to get His points across and can reveal
Himself beyond just showing up as a burning bush.
Kelly
22 May 12
Originally posted by KellyJayBut that would be dishonest because it's not what I think.
So your relationship was with a living book, okay that is not Jesus Christ, so
your honest answer should still be no I really never had one.
Kelly
And why should I accept your definition of what 'Jesus Christ' is and is not? You don't get to decide that for other people.
22 May 12
Originally posted by KellyJayOther christians told me that they could hear God's voice. I just thought you may have been alluding to the same sort of thing ..
Who told you there were voices? You realize that the Lord God Creator can get His
points across better than anyone. The One who created our ears, brains, and so on
knows how to make Himself known and to get His points across and can reveal
Himself beyond just showing up as a burning bush.
Kelly
22 May 12
Originally posted by SwissGambitIt isn't what Jesus Christ is, but who....if you cannot get that right...why are you
But that would be [b]dishonest because it's not what I think.
And why should I accept your definition of what 'Jesus Christ' is and is not? You don't get to decide that for other people.[/b]
even talking about this as if you had a clue?
Kelly
22 May 12
Originally posted by KellyJaySo it boils down to did you have a relationship with God yes or no?
The point of getting right with God is a restored relationship with Him, Jesus
died and rose again not so we can go to a "church" on Sunday or any other
day of the week. Jesus died and rose again so we could be forgiven and to
walk in fellowship with God being born of the Spirit of God, so that we can
worship Him in Spirit and truth, to walk with God an ...[text shortened]... elationship with God, but
once you've met Him that is something you'd never say.
Kelly
Yes.
If no than you cannot really say you've been a Christian and now reject the notion of God altogether.
I was a Christian, as I have told you several times.
You can say that if you've never had a relationship with God, but
once you've met Him that is something you'd never say.
If, for the sake of argument, Mother Teresa lost her faith in her final years, you would look at that and say she was never a Christian her whole life long?
23 May 12
Originally posted by FMFYou as I pointed out you haved denied you have ever had a relationship with
[b]So it boils down to did you have a relationship with God yes or no?
Yes.
If no than you cannot really say you've been a Christian and now reject the notion of God altogether.
I was a Christian, as I have told you several times.
You can say that if you've never had a relationship with God, but
once you've met Him that is something y ...[text shortened]... r final years, you would look at that and say she was never a Christian her whole life long?
God, you therefore cannot claim to have been a Christian. You can claim you
were a follower of some man made org, but being a Christian no. I'm quite sure
when you do stand before Christ you will also hear the words, "Depart from
me I never knew you." reason being, you never knew him!
Kelly