@indonesia-phil saidNatural processes degrade moving to equilibrium the greater the entropy it will degrade. Saying something is natural without being able to explain it, well you may as well say “God did it.”
By natural process.
@bigdogg saidI can say that the instructions inside life directs all the processes so the whole thing is informationally driven. Everything from start stop mechanisms direct things like blood clotting, that when body forms are being formed all the parts will be as they are coded to be for each life’s form. Hearts, livers, along with systems acting in concert with one another.
Yes, naturalists must explain every detail of how it happened!
But not the Christians. They have the Black Box Almighty. They don't have to explain jack.
That's not a double standard at all!
We do these types of things ourselves, to the point if we see error checking we can look for pieces of feedback loops. What takes place in life is much more advanced than what we can do and do you really think it’s a natural outcome of mindlessness?
@kellyjay saidThe processes of reproduction are so well 'explained' that anyone who doesn't accept the explanation is trying not to. Sure, our bodies degrade as we get older, and then we die, but what has happened (to most of us) is that in the meantime our DNA has allowed the natural creation of another life, which we call reproduction, thus does our species continue, just like other species. You are the only person here saying 'God did it' , and every 'argument' that you have put forward based on your 'scriptures' has proved to be utter nonsense.
Natural processes degrade moving to equilibrium the greater the entropy it will degrade. Saying something is natural without being able to explain it, well you may as well say “God did it.”
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@kellyjay saidWell, we appear to have arisen via evolution from simpler life forms, so the 'extra' information that separates us from a single celled organism seems to have been added by 'mindless' natural processes.
I can say that the instructions inside life directs all the processes so the whole thing is informationally driven. Everything from start stop mechanisms direct things like blood clotting, that when body forms are being formed all the parts will be as they are coded to be for each life’s form. Hearts, livers, along with systems acting in concert with one another.
We do th ...[text shortened]... ch more advanced than what we can do and do you really think it’s a natural outcome of mindlessness?
The theory is that mistakes made while copying DNA lead to mutations, which are mostly horrible, but once in awhile beneficial, leading to a new type of lifeform which survives and reproduces better than the competition. The irony is that it's actually the lack of error correction that is responsible for the wide diversity of life on this planet.
So, in principal, I have no issue with a 'mindless' process that 'adds information'. I think we need to be careful with terms like 'add information'. What does that really mean? Evolution seems much more like Russian Roulette. There are a very few lucky winners, and the rest went extinct.
@indonesia-phil saidI'm talking about the processes mechanisms, my saying "God did it" and your saying
The processes of reproduction are so well 'explained' that anyone who doesn't accept the explanation is trying not to. Sure, our bodies degrade as we get older, and then we die, but what has happened (to most of us) is that in the meantime our DNA has allowed the natural creation of another life, which we call reproduction, thus does our species continue, just like oth ...[text shortened]... ery 'argument' that you have put forward based on your 'scriptures' has proved to be utter nonsense.
"Evolution did it" are just statements of faith. You seem to think you have evidence
that shows evolution did it, and I don't even have an issue with that, because what
drives the processes are found within life, the instructions that direct the chemical
reactions, information is the primary directing source in life, not natural selection.
Natural selection is a weeding-out process, it does not direct change, it doesn't
cause anything to remain the way it is either, it doesn't do anything on the
molecular level, while the code in life there is something that is primary to the
biological material it is directing and that is the genetic code.