New president....

Originally posted by twhitehead
I personally think that serving does not have to require obedience.

i think under both Christianity and Rome (and successors) to serve includes to obey; otherwise the servant has a third master which could be his own willfulness. But ymmv.

Originally posted by galveston75
Yes you are right. But it could become a serious issue if there is some type of punishment such as fines, jail time or eventually something worse. The constitution should protect ones who refuse to do things such as this because of their religious beliefs, but history proves that the constitution does not always help.

Too much worrying about little things and not enough about the big important things. IMHO

Originally posted by galveston75
Actually the JW's are very well recognized for their paying of taxes no matter what country we live in just as Jesus explained we should.
And I'm very sure all governments know we do not fight or vote because Jesus said "his Kingdom is no part of this world and his followers would also be no part of this world" ( which means we do not get involved in ...[text shortened]... ch is not a new fact and we leave it up to Jehovah to exact revenge which he will at Armageddon.

But you don't want to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord ?

What good will it be to you if you have been a stickler for showing no allegiance to any human government yet still remained in rebellion against the Lord Jesus ?

This will be an absolutely wasted and misdirected fanatical devotion.

Is he worse than Bush? time will tell, but they're just both terrible.

Originally posted by galveston75
Yes that scripture is correct. But we cannot cross some lines.

" Today, warring nations often appeal to God for support. But God does not take sides in today’s wars. Instead, in his Word, the Bible, he clearly states: “Return evil for evil to no one,” and, “Do not avenge yourselves.” (Romans 12:17, 19) Moreover, he has made known that mankind should “ ...[text shortened]... (Psalm 46:9; Isaiah 34:2) Indeed, Armageddon will be the war to end all wars." 2015 Watchtower.

No "buts", the scripture is correct.

Originally posted by galveston75
Yes you are right. But it could become a serious issue if there is some type of punishment such as fines, jail time or eventually something worse. The constitution should protect ones who refuse to do things such as this because of their religious beliefs, but history proves that the constitution does not always help.

I think society, by way of its elected government, should have the right to intervene to protect children from their parents in cases where those parents are intent on sacrificing their children to their god figures.

Originally posted by galveston75
Just wondering if anyone has caught the statement that Mr Trump has made many times now about all living here in this country "will salute the flag"?
So if this is really eventually enforced somehow, what are all of your thoughts on this especially knowing that we the JW's can't do that?
Is being forced to pledge ones allegiance to a government real freedom?

Well, given that he is a pathological liar who doesn't often know what he's talking about, we can take solace that he'll be gone in four years. Let's just pray he doesn't do too much damage before that.

Originally posted by galveston75
Just wondering if anyone has caught the statement that Mr Trump has made many times now about all living here in this country "will salute the flag"?
So if this is really eventually enforced somehow, what are all of your thoughts on this especially knowing that we the JW's can't do that?
Is being forced to pledge ones allegiance to a government real freedom?

American Legion posts harassed Witnesses nationwide. At Klamath Falls, Oregon, members of the American Legion harassed Witnesses assembled for worship with requests to salute the flag and buy war bonds. They then attacked the Witnesses and besieged the meeting place, breaking windows, throwing in stink bombs, ammonia and burning kerosene rags. The Witnesses' cars were disabled and many were overturned. The governor was compelled to call the state militia to disperse the mob, which reached 1,000 at its peak.[11] In Texas, Witness missionaries were chased and beaten by vigilantes, and their literature was confiscated or burned.

First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt appealed publicly for calm, and newspaper editorials and the American legal community[who?] condemned the Gobitas decision as a blow to liberty.[citation needed] Several justices signaled their belief that the case had been "wrongly decided."[citation needed] On June 16, 1940, in an effort to dispel the mob action, the United States Attorney General, Francis Biddle, stated on a nationwide radio broadcast:

Jehovah's witnesses have been repeatedly set upon and beaten. They had committed no crime; but the mob adjudged they had, and meted out mob punishment. The Attorney General has ordered an immediate investigation of these outrages. The people must be alert and watchful, and above all cool and sane. Since mob violence will make the government's task infinitely more difficult, it will not be tolerated. We shall not defeat the Nazi evil by emulating its methods.

In 1943, after a drawn-out litigation process by Watch Tower Society lawyers in state courts and lower federal courts, the Supreme Court reversed its previous decision, ruling that public school officials could not force Jehovah's Witnesses and other students to salute the flag and recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Every American knows you are not required legally to say the pledge.

Trump was just saying most people will want to again. Making America great again.

Originally posted by Eladar
Every American knows you are not required legally to say the pledge.

Trump was just saying most people will want to again. Making America great again.

Pathetic sycophant.

I'm guessing you will also follow the anti-christ with equally fervent, slavish devotion.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
American Legion posts harassed Witnesses nationwide. At Klamath Falls, Oregon, members of the American Legion harassed Witnesses assembled for worship with requests to salute the flag and buy war bonds. They then attacked the Witnesses and besieged the meeting place, breaking windows, throwing in stink bombs, ammonia and burning kerosene rags. The Wi ...[text shortened]... sses and other students to salute the flag and recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Originally posted by Suzianne
Pathetic sycophant.

I'm guessing you will also follow the anti-christ with equally fervent, slavish devotion.

I guess you didn't know.

Originally posted by JS357
A Christian can serve the commandments of two masters if:

1. The masters have a way to agree on their commandments,

And

2. The Christian agrees to obey the commandments no matter how the masters come to agree on them.

"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." -- Matthew 6:24, KJV

1. God and mammon aren't about to "agree" on anything.

2. The verse is clear that the "two masters" are diametrically opposed, so there is no agreement.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
In 1943, after a drawn-out litigation process by Watch Tower Society lawyers in state courts and lower federal courts, [b]the Supreme Court reversed its previous decision, ruling that public school officials could not force Jehovah's Witnesses and other students to salute the flag and recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

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So, in other words, Trump was lying again?

Originally posted by galveston75
Just wondering if anyone has caught the statement that Mr Trump has made many times now about all living here in this country "will salute the flag"?
So if this is really eventually enforced somehow, what are all of your thoughts on this especially knowing that we the JW's can't do that?
Is being forced to pledge ones allegiance to a government real freedom?

Internment camps seem to be the most viable answer.

Just wait till he builds "the wall". 😵