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    An interesting New Testament scripture (1 Timothy 2:11-14) from Paul the architect of Christianity:

    Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but [b]the woman being deceived was in the transgression[b].
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    01 Dec '12 00:342 edits
    Originally posted by moon1969
    An interesting New Testament scripture (1 Timothy 2:11-14) from Paul the architect of Christianity:

    Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but [b]the woman being deceived was in the transgression[b].
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    Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    Your point is?
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    01 Dec '12 00:39
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    Your point is?
    she loves you yeah yeah yeah, she loves you yeah yeah yeah
  4. Donationrwingett
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    01 Dec '12 13:551 edit
    Originally posted by moon1969
    An interesting New Testament scripture (1 Timothy 2:11-14) from Paul the architect of Christianity:

    Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
    1 Timothy is one of the three "Pastoral Epistles" (1 & 2 Timothy and Titus) that are widely believed to have NOT been written by Paul.
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    01 Dec '12 14:06
    Originally posted by rwingett
    1 Timothy is one of the three "Pastoral Epistles" (1 & 2 Timothy and Titus) that are widely believed to have NOT been written by Paul.
    any idea who then
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    01 Dec '12 14:22
    Originally posted by stoker
    any idea who then
    It's impossible to say. Some anonymous figure from the 2nd century who wanted his writings to have an authoritative stamp on them.
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    01 Dec '12 14:362 edits
    Originally posted by rwingett
    It's impossible to say. Some anonymous figure from the 2nd century who wanted his writings to have an authoritative stamp on them.
    What you say may be true ,
    but if the scripture was to be adhered to,
    then it would have meaning beyond it's years and it doesn't.

    It merely rubber stamps the thinking of the time which was clearly that
    men had all the say about everything and women had no say at all about anything.

    Today that attitude is changing rapidly as more and more women have a say now
    in practically every aspect of life, and I for one, despite the fact that I am a man,
    am happy about this.

    You cannot have a society without equality.

    Back then there was no equality. Men dominated women.
    Masters dominated slaves. If "Scripture" was meant to be a lesson for people to follow then it would have been progressive and forward thinking and it would therefore stand the test of time.

    It doesn't........that's why I don't rate it, it's all hocus pocus drivel.

    Written by different men, not any women. 66 books written by men over 1600 years.

    Not written by any GOD.
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    01 Dec '12 14:42
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    Your point is?
    I think he is saying that women are to blame for everything.

    From the garden of Eden to the latest worldwide economic recession.

    He likes his women quiet and obedient.😉
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    01 Dec '12 14:56
    Originally posted by rwingett
    1 Timothy is one of the three "Pastoral Epistles" (1 & 2 Timothy and Titus) that are widely believed to have NOT been written by Paul.
    How wide is "wide"?
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    01 Dec '12 15:03
    Originally posted by josephw
    How wide is "wide"?
    It wouldn't really matter a whole lot how wide.

    The fact is all the bible was written by fallible men.

    It wouldn't matter who wrote it.

    It would still be full of flaws.

    That's why there is so much argument today over what each passage means.

    All it has done is cause division not unity.

    Why do you suppose there are so many different religions and not only that but different branches of the same religion?
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    01 Dec '12 15:25
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    Your point is?
    pipe down woman and get back in the washing and cooking forum!!! this threads for men with 1890's sensibilities only. we'll be grooming our mustaches and smoking each others pipes, so be a good girl and run along.
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    01 Dec '12 15:311 edit
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    pipe down woman and get back in the washing and cooking forum!!! this threads for men with 1890's sensibilities only. we'll be grooming our mustaches and smoking each others pipes, so be a good girl and run along.
    😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀



    I say, Cedric old bean,

    very jolly well put.
  13. Donationrwingett
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    01 Dec '12 15:59
    Originally posted by josephw
    How wide is "wide"?
    By everyone except for diehard Christian apologists.
  14. Donationrwingett
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    01 Dec '12 16:09
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    What you say may be true ,
    but if the scripture was to be adhered to,
    then it would have meaning beyond it's years and it doesn't.

    It merely rubber stamps the thinking of the time which was clearly that
    men had all the say about everything and women had no say at all about anything.

    Today that attitude is changing rapidly as more and more wo ...[text shortened]... men, not any women. 66 books written by men over 1600 years.

    Not written by any GOD.
    We are perfectly capable of building societies without equality. There have been plenty of them throughout history that functioned perfectly well. They may not be the kind of society we aspire to in the 21st century, but there is no inherent reason why unequal societies cannot function.
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    01 Dec '12 16:18
    Originally posted by rwingett
    We are perfectly capable of building societies without equality. There have been plenty of them throughout history that functioned perfectly well. They may not be the kind of society we aspire to in the 21st century, but there is no inherent reason why unequal societies cannot function.
    I completely agree with you.

    But that doesn't make it right.

    Would it not make sense to you if all intelligent people
    both men and women had an input to the society in which they live?

    Wouldn't that make it a more progressive better society?
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