Originally posted by Rajk999I have admitted publicly on this forum that I've had personal battles with alcohol, so this question is important, for me.
Maybe someone else might bite .. Im not interested. Good luck with that issue.
I would like to think that Jesus was above being called a drunkard, and asked you why do you think "they" or anyone would make such a statement.
Originally posted by chaney3Why? Do you think the Gospels depict Jesus as a "glutton and drunkard"? What evidence would you require that would give you sufficient "justifiable reasons" to describe Him that way?
I'm not sure who "they" are, but was curious if "they" had justifiable reasons to make such a statement.
Originally posted by Rajk999You are blind, it is God who leads those that belong to Him. He leads His own into the works
So according to you Christians received:
- the divine seed of life.
- "the gift of righteousness" .
- the Spirit indwelling his spirit, like all the believers.
Where do the following of the commandments of Christ come in, because from all of your teachings I have never seen this given the slightest priority. Even here it seems like it is placed on ...[text shortened]... at the Christian that fails to follow the teachings of Christ will not enter the Kingdom of God.
He has for them, and He does this after they receive from God the Lord's Spirit. You are
big on works to earn God's favor, yet you miss God's free gift to us that is so good, we can
not do enough to earn it.
Originally posted by chaney3I would like to think I am above being accused of being a pedophile but "they" (robbie carrobie and Seitse and GHOST HUNTER) did it anyway. Why do you think they would make such accusations?
I would like to think that Jesus was above being called a drunkard, and asked you why do you think "they" or anyone would make such a statement.
Originally posted by Rajk999I have 'bitten' because I suspect this is chaney3 in 'Bruce and Harriett Nyborg' mode. He then followed up the silliness with "I have admitted publicly on this forum that I've had personal battles with alcohol, so this question is important, for me" which makes it pretty clear that his disingenuously politically illiterate question in in fact just attention speaking. 😉
Maybe someone else might bite .. Im not interested. Good luck with that issue.
Originally posted by FMFDid Jesus drink alcohol?
I have 'bitten' because I suspect this is chaney3 in 'Bruce and Harriett Nyborg' mode. He then followed up the silliness with "I have admitted publicly on this forum that I've had personal battles with alcohol, so this question is important, for me" which makes it pretty clear that his disingenuously politically illiterate question in in fact just attention speaking. 😉
Originally posted by FMFBecause there are 12 step programs designed to help people stop drinking with the assistance of one's 'Higher Power'. And if a person's Higher Power is Jesus, it matters greatly!!
Why would that be important? You know that he does not disapprove of alcohol and that he had no objection to providing wine to people who had already drank a lot of it. What does it matter if he drank it or not?
Originally posted by FMFI thought as much .. glad I kept away then 🙂
I have 'bitten' because I suspect this is chaney3 in 'Bruce and Harriett Nyborg' mode. He then followed up the silliness with "I have admitted publicly on this forum that I've had personal battles with alcohol, so this question is important, for me" which makes it pretty clear that his disingenuously politically illiterate question in in fact just attention speaking. 😉
Originally posted by FMFNo I don't, but He was called a drunkard. And I asked why. In the context of my above post, it's valid. Maybe not you, but it is. There are many people who are relying on Jesus to help keep them sober, whether you realize it or not.
So you think Matthew 11:19 might mean Jesus was an alcoholic?
Originally posted by chaney3Where are these "12 step programs designed to help people stop drinking" in the Bible?
No I don't, but He was called a drunkard. And I asked why. In the context of my above post, it's valid. Maybe not you, but it is. There are many people who are relying on Jesus to help keep them sober, whether you realize it or not.