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Originally posted by chaney3'Why is He being accused of being a drunkard?'
Wow, you and FMF are really something.
I asked if it was okay for Jesus to drink alcohol. Do you think it's okay Dive??
Why is He being accused of being a drunkard?
Or would you rather dodge this and call me a dickhead again?
Presumably to discredit him. He eats food, they call him a glutton, he drinks wine, they call him a drunkard. He's even a friend of tax collectors and sinners!
Jesus didn't condemn people drinking wine (alcohol) and indeed one of his miracles had him produce more of the stuff. It would have been normal for Jesus and those around him to drink wine. And of course there is a big difference between drinking wine and drinking too much wine. Just like any other excesses.
Originally posted by chaney3Drinking alcohol and drunkenness are two different things.
You have NO idea what my 'motive' is. Alcohol is a mind altering DRUG, and I'm asking if you think it's fine that Jesus drank it.
Much like eating food and gluttony are two different things.
The first is accepted in the Bible and the other is a sin.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI'm at work, on lunch break but will comment more later.
'Why is He being accused of being a drunkard?'
Presumably to discredit him. He eats food, they call him a glutton, he drinks wine, they call him a drunkard. He's even a friend of tax collectors and sinners!
Jesus didn't condemn people drinking wine (alcohol) and indeed one of his miracles had him produce more of the stuff. It would have been ...[text shortened]... a big difference between drinking wine and drinking too much wine. Just like any other excesses.
My inquiry though revolves around Jesus being a 'Higher Power' for people in recovery. His consuming alcohol matters in that way.
More later.....
Originally posted by chaney3I honestly think you need to consider more the difference between 'consuming' and 'abusing' alcohol. (As you would for 'food' for example. - Should Jesus have avoided food, due to people suffering with obesity? )
I'm at work, on lunch break but will comment more later.
My inquiry though revolves around Jesus being a 'Higher Power' for people in recovery. His consuming alcohol matters in that way.
More later.....
Originally posted by chaney3I think the point is valid. Jesus is every Christians exemplar. In the case of alcohol, specifically wine, there is no question that the Christ enjoyed a glass probably with a meal. There is however no basis to the idea that he was ever intoxicated because he was sinless. Drinking wine or alcohol to the point of intoxication is unbalanced and a form of gluttony expressly condemned in scripture. Christ therefore stands as a model of balance, self control, and moderation and I personally think its a wonderful thing if persons are able to use his example to lead a balanced and enjoyable life.
I'm at work, on lunch break but will comment more later.
My inquiry though revolves around Jesus being a 'Higher Power' for people in recovery. His consuming alcohol matters in that way.
More later.....
I did some reading on alcoholism only recently and it appears to me that alcohol is not the problem, there is usually some other underlying problem and alcohol is used to try to deal with it, to escape it, or numb the pain but its no good because it does not address the root cause.
Rest assured chaney3 that Christ is a brilliant example of balance and moderation and if we strive to be like him we can avoid many hurtful scenarios.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell thats a good reply. Lets see if that makes sense to him.
I think the point is valid. Jesus is every Christians exemplar. In the case of alcohol, specifically wine, there is no question that the Christ enjoyed a glass probably with a meal. There is however no basis to the idea that he was ever intoxicated because he was sinless. Drinking wine or alcohol to the point of intoxication is unbalanced and a fo ...[text shortened]... e of balance and moderation and if we strive to be like him we can avoid many hurtful scenarios.