Noah and Salvation

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adjective

1. characterized by uprightness or morality:
a righteous observance of the law.

2. morally right or justifiable:
righteous indignation.

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I'm using it in the sense of the ordinary dictionary meaning.

Originally posted by @eladar
If Noah had lived righteously and did not answer God's call, would he have been saved?

Of course he would be saved. Would God destroy the righteous with the unrighteous?

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Even slower than usual today?

Originally posted by @rajk999
Of course he would be saved. Would God destroy the righteous with the unrighteous?

If the righteous did not answer opportunity to be saved, of course. No actions results in the same as saying no.

Originally posted by @eladar
If the righteous did not answer opportunity to be saved, of course. No actions results in the same as saying no.

I dont know what you mean by an 'opportunity to be saved' or 'answering Gods call'.
You are creating a fictitious situation and then trying make a biblical conclusion out of it.
God does not destroy the righteous with the wicked.

Here is what Lot told God:

That be far from thee to do after this manner,
to slay the righteous with the wicked:
and that the righteous should be as the wicked,
that be far from thee:
Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? (Genesis 18:25 KJV)

God would lead the righteous into the ark. If Noah did not build the ark then someone else would have or God would find some other way to destroy the wicked people on the earth at that time.

Originally posted by @rajk999
I dont know what you mean by an 'opportunity to be saved' or 'answering Gods call'.
You are creating a fictitious situation and then trying make a biblical conclusion out of it.
God does not destroy the righteous with the wicked.

Here is what Lot told God:

[i]That be far from thee to do after this manner,
to slay the righteous with the wicked:
a ...[text shortened]... ld have or God would find some other way to destroy the wicked people on the earth at that time.

So now you are saying that Noah is a fictitious?

Originally posted by @eladar
So now you are saying that Noah is a fictitious?

Fiction is when you use the word IF .. like here :

Would another person have been saved if he had created the exact same ark as Noah without belief in God?

You are creating a fictitious situation [something that did not happen] and using the bible to make a conclusion.

God would not destroy the righteous... thats the point.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Fiction is when you use the word IF .. like here :

Would another person have been saved if he had created the exact same ark as Noah without belief in God?

You are creating a fictitious situation [something that did not happen] and using the bible to make a conclusion.

God would not destroy the righteous... thats the point.

The question is if a person can be righteous without God. In other words can righteousness without God lead to salvation?

Did righteousness of the Pharisees of Jesus' day achieve salvation? They were very righteous.

Originally posted by @eladar
The question is if a person can be righteous without God. In other words can righteousness without God lead to salvation?

Did righteousness of the Pharisees of Jesus' day achieve salvation? They were very righteous.

They were very righteous...
Is that you opinion or do you have a reference.

Originally posted by @rajk999
They were very righteous...
Is that you opinion or do you have a reference.

Phillipians 3

although I myself might have confidence even in the flesh. If anyone else has a mind to put confidence in the flesh, I far more: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the Law, a Pharisee; 6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless.

7 But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ. 8 More than that, I count all things to be loss [c]in view of the surpassing value of [d]knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, [e]for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, 9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and [f]the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; 11 [g]in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

Originally posted by @eladar
Phillipians 3

although I myself might have confidence even in the flesh. If anyone else has a mind to put confidence in the flesh, I far more: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the Law, a Pharisee; 6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the La ...[text shortened]... eing conformed to His death; 11 [g]in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

Can't see anything about the Pharisees being very righteous

Originally posted by @rajk999
Can't see anything about the Pharisees being very righteous

As to the Law, a Pharisee.