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    28 Jul '17 22:05
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Can't see anything about the Pharisees being very righteous
    You might like this better

    "The Pharisees also maintained that an after-life existed and that God punished the wicked and rewarded the righteous in the world to come. They also believed in a messiah who would herald an era of world peace."

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/pharisees-sadducees-and-essenes
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    28 Jul '17 22:081 edit
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    It's ok if you just acknowledge that you used a wrong word...
    You mean "undue"? Explain exactly how you think I used it wrongly.
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    28 Jul '17 22:142 edits
    Originally posted by @eladar
    As to the Law, a Pharisee.
    And thats very righteous? I know you are missing more than a few screws.
    Continuing to make a pile of nonsensical statements as if they are in the Bible.

    So you could stay with your ridiculous opinion about the Pharisees being VERY RIGHTEOUS.
    I will stay with what Jesus said:

    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
    for ye are like unto whited sepulchres,
    which indeed appear beautiful outward,
    but are within full of dead men's bones,
    and of all uncleanness.
    Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men,
    but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
    (Matthew 23:27-28 KJV)


    If you call that VERY RIGHTEOUS, then your standard of righteousness must be in the gutter.
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    28 Jul '17 22:20
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    And thats very righteous? I know you are missing more than a few screws.
    Continuing to make a pile of nonsensical statements as if they are in the Bible.

    So you could stay with your ridiculous opinion about the Pharisees being VERY RIGHTEOUS.
    I will stay with what Jesus said:

    [i]Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, [b]hypocrites!

    for ye are li ...[text shortened]... ]

    If you call that VERY RIGHTEOUS, then your standard of righteousness must be in the gutter.[/b]
    Externally righteous, whitewashed tombs.


    You quote it yourself and can't see it.
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    28 Jul '17 22:301 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Externally righteous, whitewashed tombs.


    You quote it yourself and can't see it.
    Externally? Jesus said APPEAR RIGHTEOUS.
    Again I will stay with what Jesus said.
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    28 Jul '17 22:30
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Externally righteous, whitewashed tombs.


    You quote it yourself and can't see it.
    "Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men,
    but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity."

    The key here is that they only "outwardly appear righteous unto men" while the reality is that they "are full of hypocrisy and iniquity". This means that they weren't really righteous. They only appeared to be righteous.

    What's amazing is that you quote it and accuse rajk999 of not being able to see it when you're the one who is blind.
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    28 Jul '17 22:311 edit
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Externally? Jesus said APPEAR RIGHTEOUS.
    Again I will stay with what Jesus said.
    How would you know if a person who appears to be righteous really isn't? Your theology is built around apparent righteousness.
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    28 Jul '17 22:31
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Externally? Jesus said APPEAR RIGHTEOUS.
    Again I will stay with what Jesus said.
    Hey, blind man. You stole my point.
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    28 Jul '17 22:35
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    "Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men,
    but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity."

    The key here is that they only "outwardly appear righteous unto men" while the reality is that they "are full of hypocrisy and iniquity". This means that they weren't really righteous. They only appeared to be righteous.

    What's amazing is that you quote it and accuse rajk999 of not being able to see it when you're the one who is blind.
    How are you to know the difference between apparent righteousness and actual righteousness?
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    28 Jul '17 22:39
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    Hey, blind man. You stole my point.
    😀 .. Im faster on the mouse
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    28 Jul '17 22:41
    Originally posted by @eladar
    How would you know if a person who appears to be righteous really isn't? Your theology is built around apparent righteousness.
    So why would I need to know that?
    I dont care to know who is and who is not righteous
    Why do you care to know that?
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    28 Jul '17 22:42
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    So why would I need to know that?
    I dont care to know who is and who is not righteous
    Why do you care to know that?
    In other words righteous actions mean nothing .
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    28 Jul '17 22:46
    Originally posted by @eladar
    In other words righteous actions mean nothing .
    Your righteous actions mean nothing to me.
    Your righteousness is between you and God.
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    28 Jul '17 22:501 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    How are you to know the difference between apparent righteousness and actual righteousness?
    I'll try to lay it out even more simply for you.

    The key phrase is "outwardly appear righteous unto men". The Pharisees believed that they understood the will of God and were able to convince people that they understood the will of God. If you've paid attention to all the things that Jesus said to and about the Pharisees, then you should know that they didn't know the will of God. They didn't understand what it truly meant to be righteous. The bottom line is that they weren't really righteous.

    Understand?
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    28 Jul '17 22:51
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    I'll try to lay it out even more simply for you.

    The key phrase is "outwardly appear righteous unto men". The Pharisees believed that they understood the will of God and were able to convince people that they understood the will of God. If you've paid attention to all the things that Jesus said to and about the Pharisees, then you should know that the ...[text shortened]... ly meant to be righteous. The bottom line is that they weren't really righteous.

    Understand?
    If they were doing the outward stuff wrong, why would Jesus say they look good on the outside?
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