Originally posted by black beetleAren't you contradicting yourself? Why would truth necessarily be limited to what is determined by any given mind? Can you not imagine a reality beyond what is determined by a given mind? Would not this reality be more true than what is determined by a given mind?
Nope; all I say is that all states of being are determined by mind, truth included😵
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Originally posted by black beetleI would disagree with that completely, our minds may help us in our
Nope; all I say is that all states of being are determined by mind, truth included😵
understanding of truth, but we can mistakenly drink something that
is deadly and it will kill us, even if we believed it safe. Our understanding
may help us walk through this world and the truth of the world we are
in will mold us into shape as be bounce off reality while we figure
it out.
Kelly
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne"Trouth" is an idea, a concept, a product of the human mind, which then it gets the power to produce certain attitudes within his mental plexus; however it seems to me that you understand "truth" as the essense of your personal interpretation of reality😵
Aren't you contradicting yourself? Why would truth necessarily be limited to what is determined by any given mind? Can you not imagine a reality beyond what is determined by a given mind? Would not this reality be more true than what is determined by a given mind?
Originally posted by black beetle"it seems to me that you understand "truth" as the essense of your personal interpretation of reality.
"Trouth" is an idea, a concept, a product of the human mind, which then it gets the power to produce certain attitudes within his mental plexus; however it seems to me that you understand "truth" as the essense of your personal interpretation of reality😵
You're going to have to explain how you drew that conclusion based on what I've been saying.
Originally posted by KellyJayKellyJay, you discribed an epiontic process of experiential reality instead of a standing alone "absolut truth" as is, thus you accept that your mind (by means of knowledge or of ignorance etc.) determines as "truth" an evaluation that turned out to be lethal (if we finally drink a deadly drink).
I would disagree with that completely, our minds may help us in our
understanding of truth, but we can mistakenly drink something that
is deadly and it will kill us, even if we believed it safe. Our understanding
may help us walk through this world and the truth of the world we are
in will mold us into shape as be bounce off reality while we figure
it out.
Kelly
Therefore the Human has a product (knowledge/ ignorance) that leads him towards his concept of "truth" (he invented this concept, that is!), and then that concept produces new attitude to the Human.
All in all, the idea of "truth" is a product of the Human, and then the products of this product are the human beings, just as Popper poses it 😵
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneIt is obvious to me that for you "truth" is a situation that stands alone "as is". In my opinion "truth" is what I already told you, ie a concept of the Human😵
[b]"it seems to me that you understand "truth" as the essense of your personal interpretation of reality.
You're going to have to explain how you drew that conclusion based on what I've been saying.[/b]
Originally posted by black beetleWell, maybe I'm still having trouble assigning your intended meaning to your statements. They're a bit awkward and I find myself have to "guess".
It is obvious to me that for you "truth" is a situation that stands alone "as is". In my opinion "truth" is what I already told you, ie a concept of the Human😵
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Originally posted by Proper Knob===========================
I read between the lines as
'I came out of the 60's after taking too many drugs, lost the plot and found religion'.
I read between the lines as
'I came out of the 60's after taking too many drugs, lost the plot and found religion'.
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I lost religion and Jesus found me. It doesn't matter how you come to Jesus Christ. The important thing is that you come to Him. Whether sensational or mundane, how you turned to Jesus for salvation is not important.
Now, if you're clear about the "plot" here's your chance to tell us all what it is.
Why are you here in this world Proper Knob ? What's the plot of your existence ?
Hey, you probably never lost it, right? So why are you alive in this here universe ? Be generous. Tell us all what you found out.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageAlmost all evidence points towards there being a single non-relative reality that each of us conscious beings has a relative view of. Any other interpretation leads to the conclusion that I am the only consciousness because if my perception of reality is entirely relative then any other conciousnesses that exist can hardly communicate with me anyway and the ones I perceive to exist must not exist. For communication to take place between two conciousnesses, something between them must be non-relative. I think, therefore I am, I communicate, therefore you are.
OK. What evidence is there for this beyond your saying so?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWell ToO, I will try again.
Well, maybe I'm still having trouble assigning your intended meaning to your statements. They're a bit awkward and I find myself have to "guess".
We use our idea/ concept/ product "truth" as an investigative/ interpretative organon in order to grasp many aspects of the nature of almost everything within our kosmos. And we in general suppose that "truth" is an essential element of the real world, thus we consider that our thoughts -which they derive from "truth"- can enable us to observe everything with a valid point of view. Therefore, we are forced to accept that "truth" is mingled with reality.
However reality itself is epiontic (it is in correspondence with a measured physical quantity), whilst "truth" is merely an inner formation of the mental plexus of the Human, which it turns him into an observer capable of memorizing and handling elements of reality. Of course, our reality consists solely of the elements of the reality that we are aware of, thus everything that is not a known element of reality is undefined.
All we do is handling packets of information, and this is an aspect of our Knowledge; I could rather add that "truth" is merely an interface between us and our kosmos. But Knowledge is a false understanding whilst lack of Knowledge is ignorance😵
Originally posted by black beetleFunny thing about 'standing alone "absolut turth" and our garden
KellyJay, you discribed an epiontic process of experiential reality instead of a standing alone "absolut truth" as is, thus you accept that your mind (by means of knowledge or of ignorance etc.) determines as "truth" an evaluation that turned out to be lethal (if we finally drink a deadly drink).
Therefore the Human has a product (knowledge/ ignorance) ...[text shortened]... , and then the products of this product are the human beings, just as Popper poses it 😵
version experiential version, we some times confuse the two. Truth
does not depend upon human's finding it, it just is.
Kelly