Originally posted by KellyJayThe fundamental nature of reality is not "truth" as you state it but universal self-perception. In my opinion it 's like chess: I say that the process of a game is a unique manifestation of all possible expressions of self-perception of each player, and through this process the players each time they explore some of their own potentialities along with the potentiality of the dynamics of each position. Therefore, there is no such a thing as "truth" as you pose it. In fact, over here "truth" is solely our interface that enables us to gain our aim, which is the gaining of a result that is good for us and bad for our opponent, just the way karoly azcel stated it at the title of this thread (nothing is true, everything is permitted).
Funny thing about 'standing alone "absolut turth" and our garden
version experiential version, we some times confuse the two. Truth
does not depend upon human's finding it, it just is.
Kelly
So, your "truth" over here it would be solely the specific variation (handling of specific packets of information) of the game played by the two players. Without the players and their game, your "truth" the way you perceive it would be non-existent😵
Originally posted by caissad4It looks to me like it is your logic and not ThinkOfOnes that leads to the conclusion that the world used to be flat. ThinkOfOne seems to be saying that the world has a given shape regardless of your perspective and your perspective does not affect its shape. Whether 'truth' is the right word is another matter.
Reality is merely a shared perspective. The world used to be flat and everything in the universe used to revolve around Earth according to your logic.
Originally posted by black beetleAgain, I disagree truth is not our 'self-perception' if it were all truth
The fundamental nature of reality is not "truth" as you state it but universal self-perception. In my opinion it 's like chess: I say that the process of a game is a unique manifestation of all possible expressions of self-perception of each player, and through this process the players each time they explore some of their own potentialities along with t ...[text shortened]... players and their game, your "truth" the way you perceive it would be non-existent😵
would revolved around man, and it does not. I don't think we are all
that honest with ourselves either about basic things, like are we good
people when we can justify stealing or lying no matter how large or
small be it on our taxes, what we were doing last night, the pens and
paper we took from work and so on. I think the closer we do get to
the truth the better, but it is always us trying to find it, not us being
the judge of it.
Kelly
Originally posted by black beetleI like C.S. Lewis when he speaks about people arguing, the fact that
The fundamental nature of reality is not "truth" as you state it but universal self-perception. In my opinion it 's like chess: I say that the process of a game is a unique manifestation of all possible expressions of self-perception of each player, and through this process the players each time they explore some of their own potentialities along with t ...[text shortened]... players and their game, your "truth" the way you perceive it would be non-existent😵
they both debate the 'truth' of anything show us we are all not only
aware there is a 'truth' but that we also know the other guys is aware
of it too. We do not debate dogs when they want to bite us, we do not
debate weeds to tell them to get out of our yards, we do debate
people, because there is a common knowledge we share that we hold
all others too as well, even if we disagree on many fundamental things
appeals can and are made to what we all believe are common ground
beliefs about truth, justice and mercy.
Kelly
Originally posted by black beetleI think I might be getting closer to understanding what you're saying. I'll take a stab at expressing it in my own words.
Well ToO, I will try again.
We use our idea/ concept/ product "truth" as an investigative/ interpretative organon in order to grasp many aspects of the nature of almost everything within our kosmos. And we in general suppose that "truth" is an essential element of the real world, thus we consider that our thoughts -which they derive from "truth"- can ...[text shortened]... smos. But Knowledge is a false understanding whilst lack of Knowledge is ignorance😵
Truths are packets of information that are known to a given individual. Reality is a construct of those packets of information. Under such a conceptual model it seems that both truths and reality are dependent on the individual and thus relative.
Is that the gist of it?
