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  1. 31 Dec '17 19:28
    Can anyone supply book and verse to support the idea that Jesus declares homosexuality is no longer no longer sinful.
  2. 31 Dec '17 19:29
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Can anyone supply book and verse to support the idea that Jesus declares homosexuality is no longer no longer sinful.
    Take a day off assh0le.
  3. 31 Dec '17 19:31
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Take a day off assh0le.
    Always wanting to deflect the discussion.
  4. 31 Dec '17 19:37
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Can anyone supply book and verse to support the idea that Jesus declares homosexuality is no longer no longer sinful.
    Not evidence as you ask for, but related discussion from Wikipedia on the subject:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_New_Testament

    Quote:
    In the New Testament (NT) there are at least three passages that refer to homosexual activity: Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10. A fourth passage, Jude 1:7, is often interpreted as referring to homosexuality. Jesus restricts marriage to opposite-sex couples when he cites the Book of Genesis during a discussion of marriage (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9).

    The presumed references to 'homosexuality' itself in the New Testament hinge on the interpretation of three specific Greek words: arsenokoitēs (ἀρσενοκοίτη&sigmaf😉, malakos (μαλακό&sigmaf😉, and porneia (πορνεί&alpha😉 and its cognates.[1][2] While it is not disputed that the three Greek words apply to sexual relations between men (and possibly between women), some academics interpret the relevant passages as a prohibition against pederasty or prostitution rather than homosexuality per se, while other scholars have presented counter arguments.[3][4][5] The historical context of the passages has also been a subject of debate.
  5. 31 Dec '17 19:40
    Originally posted by @js357
    Not evidence as you ask for, but related discussion from Wikipedia on the subject:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_New_Testament

    Quote:
    In the New Testament (NT) there are at least three passages that refer to homosexual activity: Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10. A fourth passage, Jude 1:7, is often inter ...[text shortened]... er arguments.[3][4][5] The historical context of the passages has also been a subject of debate.
    Trying to change the topic?

    I am not asking for evidence that homosexuality is sinful. There is plenty of that that people can attempt to explain away.

    I am looking for acceptance of homosexuality. This is the topic of the thread. Of course if there is none, then just say so.
  6. Standard member Ghost of a Duke
    Zen Master
    31 Dec '17 19:59
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Can anyone supply book and verse to support the idea that Jesus declares homosexuality is no longer no longer sinful.
    Jesus said a lot about love, tolerance and acceptance. Can you cite a quote from him that made clear this did not include homosexuality. Just one will suffice.

    Thanks.
  7. 31 Dec '17 20:14
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Jesus said a lot about love, tolerance and acceptance. Can you cite a quote from him that made clear this did not include homosexuality. Just one will suffice.

    Thanks.
    Further to GoaD’s comments, I can’t find a NT rule about our treatment of others that exempts us from following that rule when dealing with homosexuals. Do these?

    Quote:

    Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her. —John 8:7

    Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. —Romans 13:8-10

    Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. —Colossians 3:11-13
  8. 31 Dec '17 20:20 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Jesus said a lot about love, tolerance and acceptance. Can you cite a quote from him that made clear this did not include homosexuality. Just one will suffice.

    Thanks.
    Jesus spoke of people being tortured after death. Jesus classified some people as being dead. Jesus says not to sin.

    So where is homisexuality said to be no longer sinful?
  9. 31 Dec '17 20:21 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @js357
    Further to GoaD’s comments, I can’t find a NT rule about our treatment of others that exempts us from following that rule when dealing with homosexuals. Do these?

    Quote:

    Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her. —John 8:7

    Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever love ...[text shortened]... any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. —Colossians 3:11-13
    John 8 talks about actual stoning to death not acceptance of sin.

    What did Jesus say to the adultress?

    Why do you continue to attempt to change the subject?
  10. 31 Dec '17 20:35 / 1 edit
    But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them. 3 The scribes and the Pharisees *brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, 4 they *said to Him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?” 6 They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. 7 But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. 10 Straightening up, Jesus said moreer, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.”


    Jesus' final statement to the woman is to stop being an adultress. He did not condemn her to physical death, but he did tell her to stop sinning by way of adultry.
  11. 31 Dec '17 20:38
    Originally posted by @eladar
    John 8 talks about actual stoning to death not acceptance of sin.

    What did Jesus say to the adultress?

    Why do you continue to attempt to change the subject?
    Why do I change the subject? I’m interested in analyzing the Bible to see how our legal and moral systems came about and evolved, according to its writers and according to Bible scholars and historians. Maybe that is not what interests you.
  12. 31 Dec '17 20:44
    Originally posted by @js357
    Why do I change the subject? I’m interested in analyzing the Bible to see how our legal and moral systems came about and evolved, according to its writers and according to Bible scholars and historians. Maybe that is not what interests you.
    Answer the simple question. If you want to analyze the topic start a thread to do so. All you are doing is trying to avoid answering the simple question.
  13. Standard member Ghost of a Duke
    Zen Master
    31 Dec '17 20:47 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Jesus spoke of people being tortured after death. Jesus classified some people as being dead. Jesus says not to sin.

    So where is homisexuality said to be no longer sinful?
    I'll ask you again:

    Jesus said a lot about love, tolerance and acceptance. Can you cite a quote from him that made clear this did not include homosexuality. Just one will suffice.


    Edit: Also a simple question.
  14. Standard member Rajk999
    Enjoying
    31 Dec '17 20:50
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Take a day off assh0le.
    A couple years off would be better.
  15. Standard member Ghost of a Duke
    Zen Master
    31 Dec '17 20:51
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    A couple years off would be better.
    Heck, let's make it a decade.