Obedience vs Disobedience

Originally posted by @fmf
I think they were figments of that tribe's leadership's imagination and its calculations in terms of tribal governance, which is why they functioned as a means of social control and tribal identity.

I know what you think. I am asking you within a Christian context. Is that what you believed when you were a Christian? 🙄

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Are your morals better (better being an objective measurement) than Hitlers or not? If no objective morality exists how can you truthfully say that they are better? Think a little FMF, this is not rocket science.

I have already discussed this with you before. You are pretending we haven't and you are just asking me the same things over and over again.

Originally posted by @fmf
I have already discussed this with you before. You are pretending we haven't and you are just asking me the same things over and over again.

No you are blanking out my question as you did before. How do you know that your morals are better than Hitlers? Go on. Give it your best shot.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I know what you think. I am asking you within a Christian context. Is that what you believed when you were a Christian? 🙄

I am not a Christian. I speak here as a non-Christian. As Christians, Muslims or Jews what they think about Moses.

Originally posted by @fmf
I am not a Christian. I speak here as a non-Christian. As Christians, Muslims or Jews what they think about Moses.

I am a Christian. I speak here as a Christian. Ask non-Christians what they think if you don't want to hear what I have to say. I'm off to bed.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
No you are blanking out my question as you did before. How do you know that your morals are better than Hitlers? Go on. Give it your best shot.

For the reasons I gave before. We talked at length about the Nazis. I seem to recall, the more detailed and lengthy my explanations were, the more likely it was that you didn't even acknowledge that I'd posted them. Go back and look.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I am a Christian. I speak here as a Christian.

Well then, stop pretending that your personal preference for ancient Hebrew mythology and your preoccupation with magical beings and immortality and a torturer god figure, creates some kind of "universal" "absolute" "objective" moral "truth" that somehow applies to everybody, everywhere.

Originally posted by @fmf
Well then, stop pretending that your personal preference for ancient Hebrew mythology and your preoccupation with magical beings and immortality and a torturer god figure, creates some kind of "universal" "absolute" "objective" moral "truth" that somehow applies to everybody, everywhere.

If the things you believe in only apply to yourself why bother sharing them with others? 🙄

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If the things you believe in only apply to yourself why bother sharing them with others? 🙄

Because it's a debate and discussion forum.

Originally posted by @fmf
Because it's a debate and discussion forum.

What is the point of debate if nothing you believe applies to anyone else?

It would make more sense if you debated with yourself.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
What is the point of debate if nothing you believe applies to anyone else?

Because it's interesting talking to people who think one has to be both superstions and beholden to a particular folklore - and establish and force others to accept some sort of detailed, dogmatic, spoonfed uniformity - in order to navigate one's own sentient and personally responsible way through the obstacle course of life in as morally sound a way as possible. It's an interesting aspect of the human condition.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
It would make more sense if you debated with yourself.

Your apparent triumphal tone - this absolute zinger being a case in point - is baffling.

-Removed-

Give me your take on morality. Oh wait you can't. All you ever do is shoot people down rather than provide your own take on the matter. Would you care to substantiate your claims that "God tortures people for eternity, kills, destroys and commits all manner of acts..." This is your claim, not mine.

Would you care to share your coherent religious experience?
Not holding my breath on that one.

The question that FMF cannot answer, let's see if you can give it a shot:

If you don’t need an objective standard of morality by which you can determine what is right or wrong, then how do you know that what you think is right and wrong really is right and wrong?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
The question that FMF cannot answer, let's see if you can give it a shot:

I have answered it. You have simply ignored my answers. Asking me over and over again, you pretending that I haven't given you my answer and explained it, is just artless trolling on your part.