Originally posted by sonship
Personally I think 'free' is implicit in the word 'gift' ... as it's not a gift if you
have to earn it/pay for it... It would then be a reward, and not a gift.
As your religion emphatically requires you to earn this 'gift' it is neither
free, nor a gift, it's a reward.
Grampy,
This opinion above is as stupid as saying that you ...[text shortened]... impenetrable Rakj999 what Christian brother or sister here could say this was their experience ?
I am in a castle, you are in a glass house... I recommend not throwing stones at me.
It would indeed be stupid to say "that you had to do a favor [sic] for your mother in order
for her to give you birth." ... it would also be grammatically incorrect and incorrectly spelt.
However that is nothing like what I actually said.
In your religion, as spelled out in the OP... your god is offering a supposedly pleasant eternal
life.
However this is conditional upon doing/saying/thinking/believing certain things [which I will
term 'actions' for the rest of the post].
BECAUSE it is conditional on those REQUIRED actions it is a reward for those actions and is
thus not given freely.
Additional coercion is applied when your religion posits punishment for failing to do the required
actions.
There is nothing free about this. It is a reward, it is payment, it is not a gift.
This is true utterly independent of the nature of the reward. It is tied up in the meaning of the
words 'free' and 'gift' and 'reward'.
If you think this is wrong, feel free to present an actual argument...
But think twice before you include stones...