Originally posted by @divegeester
What “deflecting, ignoring and evasion” are you on about? I address this issue with you head on almost every week of the year.
Then where is the evidence that you, with Paul, acknowledge BOTH the kindness AND ... severity?
Where is your recognition that Psalm 136 and Deuteronomy are about God's kindness and severity?
I don't for a second count you as addressing these issues ever and not every week.
It is YOU who make these claims and teachings based on YOUR interpretation of certain scriptures.
In many cases there is nothing to interpret.
There is only the need to accept a quotation.
You don't at places.
Requests for better interpretations are met with vivid descriptions as you see them. Vivid descriptions do not offer better interpretations of the words taught.
I disagree with YOU head on,
I don't mind you disagreeing with ole me head on.
I just point out that you disagree with the
Bible head on, quite much also.
Your better interpretation of Revelation 14 is to add vivid details. That's all you have as "better interpretation".
all the time. I’m telling you that your version of Jesus through your interpretation of hell and suffering, makes no sense to anyone.
It made sense to Jesus Christ.
You're opting for denial of this.
Telling me I’m evading you is pathetic.
Watch then.
First Thessalonians says that Christ will reap
"vengence" on those who 1.) Do not know God, and 2.) Those who do not obey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
And what is this
"vengence" there. It is
"eternal destruction"
(See 1 Thess. 1:9,10)
"... the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with the angels of His power, in flaming fire, rendering vengence to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey tha gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
They will pay the penalty of eternal destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His strength."
What then is your better interpretation of
"vengence" rendered with
"eternal destruction" ? If you say that this
eternal destruction is non-existence of oblivion, I don't count it as a better interpretation.
Is every one who does not exist then paying the penalty of eternal destruction? By their non-existence, non-being, are they under the vengeance of God ?
If you answer YES, that makes no sense to me.
If you answer No, then why should anyone believe that these spoken of above are under the vengeance of God either ?
If your only answer is to paint more vivid details of how you imagine hell, that's what is pathetic. Every week you may make the same appeal to emotion for the evoking of pity.
"I don't
LIKE it!" is not a better interpretation.
And "Let me paint the vivid picture to you to repulse you" is not a better interpretation.
Perhaps you refer to being "kept alive" as your objection with Christ rendering vengeance with eternal destruction.
There is not enough data in the whole Bible to insist that DEATH has to, and can
only mean non-existence. Rather it entails separation from something, in one way or another.
Try to read through even just the New Testament, substituting the word
non-existence everywhere you read
death or
dead. See if it works for you.