@sonship saidYes, there are loads of YouTube clips out there. That was rather my point with my first post on page 1.
@FMF
Stephen Meyer responds to Arguments against Improbability in Teleological Argument.
Stephen Meyer Critiques Richard Dawkins's "Mount Improbable" Illustration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rgainpMXa8
@sonship saidI agree, the thing about who designed the designer isn't a necessary question. If we know that material itself didn't form itself out of nothing, we know the buck didn't stop there with the material universe, it has to be something that transcends it.
Responses to Who Designed the Designer?
Jay Richards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWgJi5lb58
(Two minutes)
William Lane Craig (responding to Richard Dawkins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnhMmJPnnDo
(five minutes)
@sonship saidI watched him debate an evolutionist and agreed with him as those two went at it, but when they agreed with each other I felt they were both wrong. 🙂
Intelligent Design and the Age of the Earth - Stephen C. Meyer, PhD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn4KFzX6Ywg
He is right however in my opinion, it doesn't matter how long it took it only matters how it was done and why.
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@fmf saidDistorts, show how that is done?
Not at all.
What do you care?
I am intrigued by the way superstition distorts the interpersonal and intellectual behaviour of many believers. I "care" in that sense.
Why not then argue the points if you think they are in error? Personally, I think you are afraid to, which is why you want this shifted over the science forum so someone else can take up the argument.
@kellyjay saidI am intrigued by how you DON'T want this shifted over to the science forum where you could subject your pseudoscience to actual scientific scrutiny by people more interested in arguing the science of it than me. As for me, I am more interested in your superstitious nature and the impact it has on your outlook and the things you say as a result.
I think you are afraid to, which is why you want this shifted over the science forum so someone else can take up the argument.
@kellyjay saidI am not afraid of what you say about things like the Earth being 6,000 years old and about "a deck of cards" or ~ for that matter ~ about being tormented in burning flames forever etc. etc. for not being a member of your religion. The last thing in the world you are making anyone feel is "afraid".
Personally, I think you are afraid to