1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    11 Jul '10 14:11
    Please analyze this...



    Please analyze this one issue: the seeming disconnect in play on a popular cyberspace

    spirituality forum, in which an overwhelming majority of active posters profess atheism.




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  2. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    11 Jul '10 16:481 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Please analyze this...



    Please analyze this one issue: the seeming disconnect in play on a popular cyberspace

    spirituality forum, in which an overwhelming majority of active posters profess atheism.




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    Second issue:

    Why all the false focus and frenzied fixation on denominations, given the fact that independent local assemblies

    were established for the sake of geographic convenience in the early church? Practical format hasn't changed.



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  3. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    11 Jul '10 17:11
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Please analyze this...



    Please analyze this one issue: the seeming disconnect in play on a popular cyberspace

    spirituality forum, in which an overwhelming majority of active posters profess atheism.




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    I like this quote:
    Spirituality can refer to an ultimate or immaterial reality;[1] an inner path enabling a person to discover the essence of their being; or the “deepest values and meanings by which people live.”[2]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality
    1 Ewert Cousins, preface to Antoine Faivre and Jacob Needleman, Modern Esoteric Spirituality, Crossroad Publishing 1992.
    2 Philip Sheldrake, A Brief History of Spirituality, Wiley-Blackwell 2007 p. 1-2

    Spirituality is not limited to theistic belief. There is no disconnect.
  4. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    11 Jul '10 17:14
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Second issue:

    Why all the false focus and frenzied fixation on denominations, given the fact that independent local assemblies

    were established for the sake of geographic convenience in the early church? Practical format hasn't changed.



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    One could argue that this extends beyond just denominations. Why are the world's major religions so tied to certain geographical areas? Why is Islam popular in the Middle East and Christianity popular in the US?
  5. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    11 Jul '10 17:19
    Is it really an overwhelming majority of atheists? What about jaywill, robbiecarrobie, galveston, ConrauK, freakyKBH, josephw, epiphenias, zahlanzi, etc. - seems like there is a solid core of theists here too. I'm sure there are several more names available just by scanning the first page.
  6. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    11 Jul '10 17:24
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    I like this quote:
    Spirituality can refer to an ultimate or immaterial reality;[1] an inner path enabling a person to discover the essence of their being; or the “deepest values and meanings by which people live.”[2]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality
    1 Ewert Cousins, preface to Antoine Faivre and Jacob Needleman, Modern Esoteri ...[text shortened]... Blackwell 2007 p. 1-2

    Spirituality is not limited to theistic belief. There is no disconnect.
    Premise seems to suggest 'spirituality' is just another subjective effort or inward search

    for relativistic values on a horizontal plane, rather than an absolute vertical connection.



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  7. Standard memberua41
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    12 Jul '10 00:30
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Premise seems to suggest 'spirituality' is just another subjective effort or inward search

    for relativistic values on a horizontal plane, rather than an absolute vertical connection.



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    Kind of a constrained definition of spirituality don't you think?
    Its a thing shared by all of us, hard to constrict it with your own biases
  8. Standard memberDasa
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    12 Jul '10 00:42
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Premise seems to suggest 'spirituality' is just another subjective effort or inward search

    for relativistic values on a horizontal plane, rather than an absolute vertical connection.



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    To Grampy Bobby

    Spirituality, is ones eternal darma, which is absolute and unchanging, but religiosity, is like the weather, it constantly changes by the whim of the practitioner.

    vishva
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    12 Jul '10 01:101 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Second issue:

    Why all the false focus and frenzied fixation on denominations, given the fact that independent local assemblies

    were established for the sake of geographic convenience in the early church? Practical format hasn't changed.



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    Why all the false focus and frenzied fixation on denominations, given the fact that independent local assemblies

    were established for the sake of geographic convenience in the early church? Practical format hasn't changed.
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    The error lies here. In each locality we see one church established. There is no instance of plural "churches" in one city.

    As soon as you have one city with multiple churches you deviate from the New Testament model. And this is an indication of the work of the flesh - schisms.

    One city was matched with one local church in the New Testament. Elders were appointed according to cities (Titus 1:5). When we compare this passage to Acts 14:23 we can see that the team of elders were established to care for all of the Christians in a city.

    (No limitation on the number of elders is given, other then the fact that it was always a plurality, a team)

    There are four occurences of the mentioning of a church in someone's house. But I believe on closer examination these were also city wide churches which usually started in someone's home.

    The clearest word concerning how God viewed the establishment of practical local assemblies is in Revelation 1:11. There again the virtual name of the church is the name of the CITY. One city matched with one church:

    "What you see write in a scroll and send it to the seven churches:
    to Ephesus
    and to Smyrna
    and to Pergamos
    and to Thyatira
    and to Sardis
    and to Philadelphia
    and to Laodicea." (Rev. 1:11)


    One city matched with one church. Denominationalism divides the local city wide church into several kinds of churches within one city. This is man's idea. God's way cannot be improved upon. His way was one city matched with one city wide church.

    (One city wide church does not necessarily mean one meeting facility. One city matched with one church does not necessarily mean one physical meeting place. The singular church in Jerusalem met in the temple and from house to house. And conservatively, the church in Jerusalem may have well consisted of 10,000 believers at least after Peter's two gospel messages.

    The one church in Jerusalem met from house to house. The thousand some Christians in Jerusalem were viewed by God as one church in Jerusalem.
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    12 Jul '10 01:16
    I like to analyze stuff, but what you want me to analyze makes no sense. Do you mean "play" as in number of chess games or rating or something?
  11. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    12 Jul '10 03:37
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Premise seems to suggest 'spirituality' is just another subjective effort or inward search

    for relativistic values<snip>
    That's fine with me.
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    12 Jul '10 04:16
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    Is it really an overwhelming majority of atheists? What about jaywill, robbiecarrobie, galveston, ConrauK, freakyKBH, josephw, epiphenias, zahlanzi, etc. - seems like there is a solid core of theists here too. I'm sure there are several more names available just by scanning the first page.
    yeah. I thought it was like 45/45 .. and then the rest
  13. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    12 Jul '10 05:07
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I like to analyze stuff, but what you want me to analyze makes no sense. Do you mean "play" as in number of chess games or rating or something?
    "Please analyze this one issue: the seeming disconnect in play* on a popular cyberspace

    spirituality forum, in which an overwhelming majority of active posters profess atheism."




    * Idiom 'in play': simply the ball in play, part of the game, on the table, frequent focus.



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    12 Jul '10 05:12
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    "Please analyze this one issue: the seeming disconnect [b]in play* on a popular cyberspace

    spirituality forum, in which an overwhelming majority of active posters profess atheism."




    * Idiom 'in play': simply the ball in play, part of the game, on the table, frequent focus.



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    There are far more theists than atheists in the world. The atheists are just louder.
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    12 Jul '10 05:351 edit
    Originally posted by PinkFloyd
    There are far more theists than atheists in the world. The atheists are just louder.
    I'm not sure about that. Fundamentalists seem to be quite loud.
    If others doesn't protest about the desinformation spread by the fundamentalists, then we would regress to biblical times science, quite soon.
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