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Originally posted by robbie carrobiegalveston75 did not make his claim about the power of prayers [such as his own] in the OP. It's interesting that you are choosing your words so carefully.
there is not a shred of evidence in the OP to substantiate your ludicrous and distorted claim.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think the way galveston75 is exploiting this tragedy to promote his own agenda and self-righteousness is religionist rather than "spiritual".
his mistake was of course, thinking that his words would
fall on the spiritual, rather than the cynical.
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Originally posted by SuzianneNo compassion is caring about someone and empathising with their problems.
Prayer for someone else IS compassion.
Asking that people pray for someone else IS compassion.
What is NOT compassion is crapping all over his honest appeal, as I've already said.
If you don't want to participate, then don't. No one's making you participate.
Not everything has to be about you and your non-belief.
Praying is asking a deity of some sort to do something about it.
Now if you really believe that prayer works (you're deluded and wrong but hey) then
if you feel compassion for someone's problems then that might motivate you to pray
for them to be solved.
But that doesn't mean that prayer=compassion.
I completely agree that not everything is about me and my non-belief.
But the OP is all about the Galveston75 and his beliefs.
If he doesn't get criticised for asking everyone to bow to his beliefs and pray to his
god for something then why do I get criticised for pointing out that praying doesn't work
and isn't actually doing anything?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobiewould it be better to switch our prayers to the people of beirut now or should we keep praying for the girl. will the prayer loose power if we pray for both?
there is not a shred of evidence in the OP to substantiate your ludicrous and distorted claim.
has april jones not been found because people didnt pray hard enough?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI said nothing about galveston75's vanity on this thread until he said:
beat it bozo, you have pole vaulted the line here, you now purport to know what
motivated a concerned person who was simply asking, in a spirituality forum, for some
prayers on behalf, not of self, but another, you are pond scum.
"the evidence strongly suggests that prayers just don't work" ...What evidence is that? Make sure you have the proof as I do have proof that it does.
It was when I read this that I realized that the thread wasn't really about Whitney Heichel but was about galveston75's perception of himself.
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Originally posted by stellspalfieOr as an extension to this...
would it be better to switch our prayers to the people of beirut now or should we keep praying for the girl. will the prayer loose power if we pray for both?
has april jones not been found because people didnt pray hard enough?
Did the planes fly into the twin towers because the passengers on board weren't worthy of
being saved or were not preying hard enough?
Was their nobody killed in the towers not worthy of saving?
Were none of the firemen who rushed into the towers to save people worthy of saving?
Did god sit back and allow those people to die because not enough people prayed for them?
If you claim that prayer works and that god will save people if they are worthy and/or pray
enough or have the right people praying for them.
Then you are implicitly saying that those who don't get saved were not worthy, didn't pray right,
and deserved what happened to them.
If this woman is not recovered safe and well despite all these people praying for her, would that mean
that they didn't pray hard enough, or that she wasn't worthy of being saved?
Originally posted by FMFAnd your flat stupid beyond belief to think that. All I see is satan here at work thru your words to deflect the pain of others to some weird agenda you have when spouting off. Leave the thread fool....
I think the way galveston75 is exploiting this tragedy to promote his own agenda and self-righteousness is religionist rather than "spiritual".
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Originally posted by googlefudgeplus the added insanity of god already knowing what was going to happen and who was going to get saved by prayer and who's not, but letting the whole charade play out anyway.
Or as an extension to this...
Did the planes fly into the twin towers because the passengers on board weren't worthy of
being saved or were not preying hard enough?
Was their nobody killed in the towers not worthy of saving?
Were none of the firemen who rushed into the towers to save people worthy of saving?
Did god sit back and allow those ...[text shortened]... ld that mean
that they didn't pray hard enough, or that she wasn't worthy of being saved?
id love to know what possible criteria god have to save somebody?
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Originally posted by galveston75Do you claim that the the kind of prayers you will say could have some sort of impact on Whitney Heichel's fate? You mentioned some sort of "proof". It is you who is promoting an agenda based on the "pain of others". When your ego has been tweaked, you don't seem quite so "compassionate" anymore. You just seem "tweaked".
And your flat stupid beyond belief to think that. All I see is satan here at work thru your words to deflect the pain of others to some weird agenda you have when spouting off. Leave the thread fool....
Originally posted by galveston75You've talked about yourself a lot on this thread so far - how you feel - about your prayers - how it's keeping you up at night - about how angry you are - about how weird you find people who see it differently - how you have "proof" that your prayers can save her etc. etc. It's page five already. Have you even mentioned the victim's name ONCE yet?
It would kill me if this happened to my children and even though I personally don't know this family, it's keeping me up at night with distress. I feel so sorry for what they are all going thru.
Originally posted by FMFLeave this thread...........
You've talked about yourself a lot on this thread so far - how you feel - about your prayers - how it's keeping you up at night - about how angry you are - about how weird you find people who see it differently - how you have "proof" that your prayers can save her etc. etc. It's page five already. Have you even mentioned the victim's name ONCE yet?
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The latest from the local news is some children playing in a empty field this morning between two locations where they knew she was at, found her cell phone. It is a smart phone so they are hoping to get some much needed information off of it. Also at this time there is no person or suspect of interest they are looking for.....
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell, you have a point; his reaction ("Are you serious? What a kind and compassionent comment. I just hope this never happens to someone you love........." ) to Wolfgang's post does indicate a degree of surprise. Did it surprise you that someone would react as Wolfgang did?
No i dont think, the mere fact that it was posted in a spirituality forum as opposed to a
debates forum is rather telling, his mistake was of course, thinking that his words would
fall on the spiritual, rather than the cynical.
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Originally posted by galveston75What's the victim's name?
The latest from the local news is some children playing in a empty field this morning between two locations where they knew she was at, found her cell phone. It is a smart phone so they are hoping to get some much needed information off of it. Also at this time there is no person or suspect of interest they are looking for.....