02 Apr 05
I pray that the pope passes in peace and goes to his reward. I pray that people can take from his example of living a good life and striving to be more than they think they can be. I pray that the leadership of the church can be guided by wisdom and the holy spirit to choose a new leader that wil be a credit to the people of God.
Amen
02 Apr 05
Originally posted by CalWriterI'm agreeing in prayer with you on those first two sentences, brother.
I pray that the pope passes in peace and goes to his reward. I pray that people can take from his example of living a good life and striving to be more than they think they can be. I pray that the leadership of the church can be guided by wisdom and the holy spirit to choose a new leader that wil be a credit to the people of God.
Amen
Amen.
02 Apr 05
Originally posted by DarfiusI pray that the leadership of the church can be guided by wisdom and the holy spirit to choose a new leader that wil be a credit to the people of God.
I'm agreeing in prayer with you on those first two sentences, brother.
Amen.
Why would you not pray that the leadership of the Roman Catholic Church be guided by wisdom
and the Holy Spirit for the selection of a new Pope that he might be a credit to the people of God?
Nemesio
02 Apr 05
Originally posted by NemesioThere is no leader of Christ's church but Christ.
I pray that the leadership of the church can be guided by wisdom and the holy spirit to choose a new leader that wil be a credit to the people of God.
Why would you [b]not pray that the leadership of the Roman Catholic Church be guided by wisdom
and the Holy Spirit for the selection of a new Pope that he might be a credit to the people of God?
Nemesio
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02 Apr 05
Originally posted by Nemesiobecause he's an anti-Catholic bigot, perhaps
I pray that the leadership of the church can be guided by wisdom and the holy spirit to choose a new leader that wil be a credit to the people of God.
Why would you [b]not pray that the leadership of the Roman Catholic Church be guided by wisdom
and the Holy Spirit for the selection of a new Pope that he might be a credit to the people of God?
Nemesio
[/b]
As a lapsed Catholic, I'll join in the prayer for a new leader of the Church, and a peaceful passing for one who served through tumultous times.
02 Apr 05
Originally posted by Darfiusa fine distinction that amounts to no difference
Anti Catholic? Of course not.
Anti Catholic Church? Of course.
at the same time, you invent all sorts of names for those of us you challenge your fundamental errors of fact and logic
I am not opposed to Christianity or Christians; I do oppose those views that are detrimental to civil society and improvements in human culture (such as your anti-science tirades)
02 Apr 05
Originally posted by DarfiusYou spiteful, hateful, arrogant jerk! Why on earth would you not pray for
Anti Catholic Church? Of course.
a church to have good leadership. The Bible has specific and explicit mention
of a hierarchy of power, with bishops above priests, and priests above deacons.
The Pope isn't, and doesn't claim to the be, the ultimate leader of the church,
but only the representative of the leadership of the earthly church. For you
not to pray for the next leader to be a wise and Spirit-filled one is just a
demonstration of the contempt with which you hold other traditions trying to
do the same thing you are: be the best Christians they can be.
Nemesio
02 Apr 05
Originally posted by darvlayIt is always a great mystery. In modern times, Popes have always been
Are there any front-runners for his successor?
surprises -- dark horses, so to speak. I'm sure that there are some major
contenders, but that doesn't mean anything.
Perhaps Father Ivanhoe, being a member of the Inner Circle, would have
some commentary or insight.
Nemesio
02 Apr 05
Originally posted by WulebgrShow me my anti-science tirades. Even one. If you're referring to Darwinism, that isn't science, that's an outdated agenda.
a fine distinction that amounts to no difference
at the same time, you invent all sorts of names for those of us you challenge your fundamental errors of fact and logic
I am not opposed to Christianity or Christians; I do oppose those views that are detrimental to civil society and improvements in human culture (such as your anti-science tirades)
02 Apr 05
Originally posted by NemesioI'm not spiteful, hateful or arrogant. And cite the verses that says "hierarchy" please. Cite the verses that support your "deacons above bishops" stance.
You spiteful, hateful, arrogant jerk! Why on earth would you not pray for
a church to have good leadership. The Bible has specific and explicit mention
of a hierarchy of power, with bishops above priests, and priests above deacons.
The Pope isn't, and doesn't claim to the be, the ultimate leader of the church,
but only the representative of the ...[text shortened]... traditions trying to
do the same thing you are: be the best Christians they can be.
Nemesio
Then I'll cite the verse that says "Call no one on earth father, for you have one Father, which is in Heaven."
I will pray for the Catholic Church to repent before God and become a true church for Christ. I will not pray for a leader to lead more souls astray.
If they were attempting to be the best Christians they could be, they would hold the Word of God above the word of men. They don't.
02 Apr 05
Originally posted by NemesioFor the obvious reason: Darfius is not an actual Christian. He uses Christianity as a mouthpiece through which to voice his own brand of vitriol. We should all hope that the next Pope is virtuous and wise, and that he has direct experiential knowledge of the divine.
You spiteful, hateful, arrogant jerk! Why on earth would you not pray for a church to have good leadership?
Nemesio
02 Apr 05
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Originally posted by DarfiusYou don't call your biological father 'father'?
I'm not spiteful, hateful or arrogant. And cite the verses that says "hierarchy" please. Cite the verses that support your "deacons above bishops" stance.
Then I'll cite the verse that says "Call no one on earth father, for you ...[text shortened]... ey would hold the Word of God above the word of men. They don't.
02 Apr 05
Originally posted by bbarrThat was hurtful, but I'll answer it with:
For the obvious reason: Darfius is not an actual Christian. He uses Christianity as a mouthpiece through which to voice his own brand of vitriol. We should all hope that the next Pope is virtuous and wise, and that he has direct experiential knowledge of the divine.
10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.