Originally posted by Darfius
I just find it odd that the Holy Spirit is only powerful enough to lead the "Vicar of Christ" correctly [b]some of the time. Though since the RCC has been attempting to lessen Christ's omnipotence since it began, I'm hardly surprised.[/b]
I find it considerably more odd that the Holy Spirit doesn't hit you on the back of
the head after every post you make that has deliberate non-truths, misrepresentations
of the Bible, and fantastical non-Biblical nonsense. But we each have our own views
about 'oddness.'
Apparently the Lord's finished work on the cross wasn't enough. You need to pray to Mary for help,
I've said dozens of times before: Romans don't (or ought not) pray to Mary. They
ask for her intercession.
The argument for people in heaven praying for people below still stands unchecked.
You want to deny that possibility of the truth of this statement, but cannot provide
a theologically or rationally defensible argument. As such, asking for Mary's prayers
is at least as legitimate as asking for your prayers (perhaps moreso, since she is the
most blessed among women).
do more good works than bad (sound familiar?),
Here's another one of your blatant misrepresentations. The Roman Church has made
itself very, very clear that works do not save. Indeed, all the RCC affirms is that
faith is inseperable from works, that you cannot have faith if you do not have
works. You seem to think that this is a minor point, but it is wholly and inarguably
supported by the Bible (as I've cited many times).
pray to other saints for help,
Once again, this is not advocated by the Church and is not done by the truly faithful.
And, as I've said, there is no theological heresy with doing so (or, you and every other
'theologian' haven't demonstrated that there is one).
Hail Mary,
The Hail Mary is in Scripture, idiot. St Elizabeth said this prayer to the Blessed Mother
upon her arrival. Romans add the following two lines: 'Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray
for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.' Nothing heretical there.
be a member of the RCC,
Intestingly enough, you require that people not be a member of the RCC because
you feel that there is heresy in the Church (but not in your own church). If people in
your faith community have a comparably paltry knowledge of the Bible and its history,
show a similarly bigoted, spiteful and ignorant disdain for a tradition which they
know precious little, and have the arrogant, Pharisitic air of superiority (washing the
outside of their 'cups' while being dirty on the inside), then, I assure you, you won't
be seeing Jesus on this side of eternity.
and STILL go to purgatory when you die.
You believe that people go to a magic 'stasis' where they wait until the Parousia. Both
are non-Biblical musings about the hereafter. One is no less legitimate than the other.
According to Catholics, most people are going to Heaven anyway, Jesus just opened an express lane.
Now, I know you know this isn't true, and yet you say it anyway. Why is the Devil putting
such lies in your mouth this evening. Have you been eating whatever Ivanhoe is eating?
Nemesio
Originally posted by UnaAnd how do you presume that you know Christ? Through the Bible, and the traditions of your interpretations. Protestant interpretive communities are every bit as tradition bound as Catholics, but their traditions are more limited, narrower in scope, and dishonest (at least among those who disavow traditions).
As you can see, the final authority of the Roman Catholic Church is not Christ but rather "the Bible and tradition as interpreted by the Church"
Take a lesson from Harold O.J. Brown, former professor of biblical and systematic theology at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, who in his book, Heresies: The Image of Christ in the Mirror of Heresy and Orthodoxy from the Apostles to the Present, extols the role of tradition (including Catholic tradition) as central to the process of hermeneutics.
You misrepresent the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, and you show yourself ignorant of the main tenets of Protestant Christianity. Which cult are you speaking for?
Originally posted by WulebgrYou have no idea what it is you speak of. All you do is regurgitate quotes as if we are supposed to care what a man has to say about Christ.
And how do you presume that you know Christ? Through the Bible, and the traditions of your interpretations. Protestant interpretive communities are every bit as tradition bound as Catholics, but their traditions are more limited, narrower in scope, and dishonest (at least among those who disavow traditions).
Take a lesson from Harold O.J. Brown, former pr ...[text shortened]... ourself ignorant of the main tenets of Protestant Christianity. Which cult are you speaking for?
What you fail to understand, and what shall remain inconceivable to you until you shed your pride and come to Christ, is that a relationship with Him--a true one--leads to guidance and wisdom about His Word that the lost cannot comprehend.
But most importantly, one should attempt to interpret Scripture with Scripture.
Originally posted by Darfiusgreat family picture
That was hurtful, but I'll answer it with:
10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Fath ...[text shortened]... k not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
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10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and
the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her
mother in law.
Family Duels
*says a prayer for the Pope and whoever will become Pope"
Originally posted by WulebgrI said you.
I'm sorry I didn't realize that Darfius would be a better source on true Protestant Christianity than an accomplished professor of systematic theology at a leading Evangelical college.
And like I said, I could care less what ANY man has to say about my relationship with Christ.
Originally posted by DarfiusI haven't noticed a questioning of your relationship with Christ.
And like I said, I could care less what ANY man has to say about my relationship with Christ.
I have criticized your unwarrented and ill informed attacks upon the Catholic Church, your crusade against science, and the literalism at the heart of your hermeneutical tradition.
You know nothing about my faith and beliefs.
Originally posted by DarfiusThis is your problem. While you have on at least two occasions insinuated that I believe
And like I said, I could care less what ANY man has to say about my relationship with Christ.
that I have all the answers (while at the same time I profess only great ignorance), you
explicitly eschew the commentary of your fellow man. Your arrogance has led you to assume
that your answers about Christianity are the right ones (even while people like me and Wulebgr
observe the theological and rational inconsistencies in your views).
I care very deeply what anyone says about religion, as long as it is thought out and considered.
You have done nothing but spread vitriolic lies about the Roman Church (even while people who
know far more than you do strive to correct you) and senseless drivel from within conservative,
fundamentalist Christianity which has no basis in Scripture or in Truth.
I may not know much, Darfius, but I know when someone is saying two mutually exclusive things.
You profess to believe in mutually exclusive things, and that necessarily places you lower on the
Truth Ladder than those who don't.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioI'll bite.
This is your problem. While you have on at least two occasions insinuated that I believe
that I have all the answers (while at the same time I profess only great ignorance), you
explicitly eschew the commentary of your fellow man. Your arrogance has led you to assume
that your answers about Christianity are the right ones (even while people like me and ...[text shortened]... gs, and that necessarily places you lower on the
Truth Ladder than those who don't.
Nemesio
What two mutually exclusive things do I profess belief in, Nemesio?
Originally posted by WulebgrThey are warranted. They are well-informed and well-intentioned. What crusade? You've yet to give me one incidence of me "attacking science". The Word of God requires no "tradition", as Jesus explained to the Pharisees.
I haven't noticed a questioning of your relationship with Christ.
I have criticized your unwarrented and ill informed attacks upon the Catholic Church, your crusade against science, and the literalism at the heart of your hermeneutical tradition.
You know nothing about my faith and beliefs.
Originally posted by DarfiusWell I guess this statement alone says volumes about what separates you from the pack, no pun intended. Most Christians I know (excluding those we see in TV evangelism) really do care how other people experience their faith. You'd be suproised how receptive people on this site would be to you if you showed just the slightest interest in learning from them.
I said [b]you.
And like I said, I could care less what ANY man has to say about my relationship with Christ. [/b]
Originally posted by kirksey957when did you change your image, are you putting on weight?
Well I guess this statement alone says volumes about what separates you from the pack, no pun intended. Most Christians I know (excluding those we see in TV evangelism) really do care how other people experience their faith. You'd be suproised how receptive people on this site would be to you if you showed just the slightest interest in learning from them.
Originally posted by CalWriter
I pray that the pope passes in peace and goes to his reward. I pray that people can take from his example of living a good life and striving to be more than they think they can be. I pray that the leadership of the church can be guided by wisdom and the holy spirit to choose a new leader that wil be a credit to the people of God.
Amen
Amen.