12 Feb 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidMy OP called out the dog whistle perfectly. You can't be expected to have an understanding of how far-right MAGA political trolling and fundamentalist far-right Christian hyperbole intersect in the US public domain. If my OP has opened your eyes to it, then good. Remember, Psalm 109 is about praying for death. "May his days be few" is a reference to death. If you can't see that context, and its rhetorical significance, then you are politically naive.
Your OP was misleading.
@fmf saidI won’t comment on whether it’s unchristian, but it is definitely unAmerican, a clear violation of the separation of church and state. No one, priest or otherwise, should use the pulpit or the Bible to preach politics. Not in America anyway.
A conservative US congresswoman addressing a church congregation last week appeared to be praying for the US president's death when she cited Psalm 109...
"May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership. May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow."
...isn't a prayer like this an abuse of scripture and profoundly un-Christian?
12 Feb 23
@moonbus saidThe trouble with that is what is politics and religion. The fact scriptures tell us God made us male and female in the beginning is now something in dispute, God created, and we were made male and female? Sex was made for a marriage that is political, sex between the same sex, religious or political? Wearing clothes, what we eat, stealing, murder, the lines are blurred, so why should anyone's speech be hindered one way or another, you think governments will not attempt to push someone's agenda against other's religious beliefs if they feel like it?
I won’t comment on whether it’s unchristian, but it is definitely unAmerican, a clear violation of the separation of church and state. No one, priest or otherwise, should use the pulpit or the Bible to preach politics. Not in America anyway.
12 Feb 23
@kellyjay saidNo one is stopping you from holding and adhering to these beliefs, are they? No one is stopping you from only having sex within marriage, are they? No one is making you have sex with a man?
The fact scriptures tell us God made us male and female in the beginning is now something in dispute, God created, and we were made male and female? Sex was made for a marriage that is political, sex between the same sex, religious or political?
12 Feb 23
@kellyjay saidyou think governments will not attempt to push someone's agenda against other's religious beliefs if they feel like it?
Wearing clothes, what we eat, stealing, murder, the lines are blurred, so why should anyone's speech be hindered one way or another, you think governments will not attempt to push someone's agenda against other's religious beliefs if they feel like it?
Are politicians trying to make you have sex with a man? Are politicians trying to make you commit adultery?
13 Feb 23
@kellyjay saidWhat is politics and what is religion, you ask. It's as plain as day. Politics is about secular law. Religion is about saving souls. Govt has no business telling people what God or gods to believe in, and religion has no business telling govt what laws to pass or not pass.
The trouble with that is what is politics and religion. The fact scriptures tell us God made us male and female in the beginning is now something in dispute, God created, and we were made male and female? Sex was made for a marriage that is political, sex between the same sex, religious or political? Wearing clothes, what we eat, stealing, murder, the lines are blurred, so w ...[text shortened]... ts will not attempt to push someone's agenda against other's religious beliefs if they feel like it?
13 Feb 23
@moonbus saidWell, you explain the dilemma very nicely, the trouble with your reasoning is our lives are not divided into secular and religious people. We are people who live together, so both cause our lives to be ordered in specific ways, depending on the culture and religion, some things clash when mixed, and the rejection of one set of standards will appear to the other group as an abomination.
What is politics and what is religion, you ask. It's as plain as day. Politics is about secular law. Religion is about saving souls. Govt has no business telling people what God or gods to believe in, and religion has no business telling govt what laws to pass or not pass.
Religious thoughts concerning sex and those who define themselves by their sexual preferences will clash, and the laws of the land will be where the battles can be fought. As soon as one group's standards are to be publically accepted they will cross into the other group's standards and now there is going to be conflict. Defining personhood when it begins you think the state could allow some things to occur that religion would disagree with and how would that affect how people are defined?
@kellyjay saidDo you want the government to stop other people having the kind of sex that you disapprove of and don't engage in yourself?
Religious thoughts concerning sex and those who define themselves by their sexual preferences will clash, and the laws of the land will be where the battles can be fought.
13 Feb 23
@kellyjay saidIs anyone forcing you to have sex with someone you don’t want to ? No. The clash is only between your dogma and reality.
Well, you explain the dilemma very nicely, the trouble with your reasoning is our lives are not divided into secular and religious people. We are people who live together, so both cause our lives to be ordered in specific ways, depending on the culture and religion, some things clash when mixed, and the rejection of one set of standards will appear to the other group as an a ...[text shortened]... things to occur that religion would disagree with and how would that affect how people are defined?
14 Feb 23
@divegeester saidGive him time. Maybe he's praying for your soul.
No response from KellyJay, as predicted.