Originally posted by @avalanchethecat No i'm not interested in another discussion with you. My point is made by virtue of the existence of those arguments.
Yep, and we all know that, but becker is obliged by his own argument to insist there is no ambivalence. That's why he's trying so hard to to get somebody to argue it with him, he needs to move the focus of the discussion so he can pretend he's not hoist by his own petard.
Originally posted by @avalanchethecat Yep, and we all know that, but becker is obliged by his own argument to insist there is no ambivalence. That's why he's trying so hard to to get somebody to argue it with him, he needs to move the focus of the discussion so he can pretend he's not hoist by his own petard.
Originally posted by @dj2becker If you thought any of the arguments had a leg to stand on you would have presented them by now.
The arguments are well attested, referenced in this thread and very well known. If your scripture was not ambivalent on the subject, they would not exist. Whether you think you can argue them away is entirely irrelevant.
Originally posted by @avalanchethecat The arguments are well attested, referenced in this thread and very well known. If your scripture was not ambivalent on the subject, they would not exist. Whether you think you can argue them away is entirely irrelevant.
Is it your subjective opinion that the Bible is ambivalent on the topic of rape or is it an objective fact?
Originally posted by @avalanchethecat The arguments are well attested, referenced in this thread and very well known. If your scripture was not ambivalent on the subject, they would not exist. Whether you think you can argue them away is entirely irrelevant.
Anyone genuinely familiar with scripture would readily admit there is some difficult stuff in there about rape etc. No additional references or sources are required, it's all there in black and white for anyone who knows their bible.
So, for example, when we read Numbers 31:15-18, it really is pure stupidity to speak of subjectivity and the like:
"But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
Originally posted by @avalanchethecat From where do you derive your moral certainty regarding rape given that your scripture is ambivalent on the subject?
Is it your subjective opinion that the Bible is ambivalent on the topic of rape or is it an objective fact?
Premise: Objective morals do not exist
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