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    In your "why" OP you said:

    Originally posted by Dasa
    Animals are dear to the Lord and slaughtering them is incompasssionate and insensitive to the will of the Lord to not commit violence towards our brothers.

    As you don't believe in evolution, did the "Lord" that you refer to, create the animals?
    If so, why do you think he gave the big cats (for example) a carnivorous instinct to prey on and eat other animals, when (according to your stated beliefs) eating animals is so spiritually wrong?
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    Originally posted by divegeester
    In your "why" OP you said:

    Originally posted by Dasa
    [b]Animals are dear to the Lord and slaughtering them is incompasssionate and insensitive to the will of the Lord to not commit violence towards our brothers.

    As you don't believe in evolution, did the "Lord" that you refer to, create the animals?
    If so, why do you think he ...[text shortened]... er animals, when (according to your stated beliefs) eating animals is so spiritually wrong?[/b]
    The laws of the animal kingdom are different from the human.

    Humans have developed intelligence to make choices.

    Animals do not have developed intelligence and operate by way of instinct.

    Humans are not forced to act but have free will to choose - and with this free will may choose to act kindly and compassionately and with sensitivity.

    You have to understand that this temporary material world is a place of suffering and humans can diminish their suffering by living according to religious principles, and ultimately returning home back to Godhead.

    Animals are simply a vehicle for the soul and when the animal dies the soul is free to take another birth and ultimately take a human birth.

    When the tiger kills the deer.........the body of the deer becomes dust in the wind but the eternal soul is free from that deer incarnation and continues.

    You have to understand that the soul does not have any designations.

    There is not such thing as a deer soul or a tiger soul or a human soul or a female soul or a male soul.

    These designations - deer and tiger and women and man and human - are simply material labels for that particular material body.

    The soul is the true being and has no designation accept that it is a pure spiritual particle of awareness and consciousness.

    If that soul enters into the womb of a mother tiger - the soul will enjoy the world through the eyes of a tiger ( for about 20 years or so) until it meets death and then it continues it,s path forward.

    The soul enters the animal kingdom only when it has created negative karma from the human incarnation - and the result is that the soul must now enter the lower species to use up its negative karma.

    When the negative karma is spent - the soul once again returns to the human form, but this is only the beginning because the soul must now engage in the spiritual life to become liberated completely from this material existence and return back home to Godhead.

    The purpose of this path is to finally surrender to the Lord in love and return back to Godhead.......and doing this is up to each and every person.

    But people are not interested in love of God .....but are more interested in love of woman and money and intoxication etc.

    Without surrendering to the Lord in love and truth - the soul shall just remain in this temporary world of repeated birth and death and suffering, and going from one incarnation to the next.

    Even though the animal kingdom seems brutal at times - there is no harm or destruction to the soul and all the brutality witnessed is just between one material body and another. ........or one bundle of dust and another bundle of dust. (the Lord knows this)

    Even though these material bodies are just ultimately dust.......it is sinful to stop a soul pursuing its particular incarnation by killing and ending its journey prematurely.

    Indiscriminately killing animals - is a sign of ignorance of the purpose of life and the requirements of a person living in accordance to Gods will.

    Gods will is ........for us to the live in accordance with true religious principles - so as to purify ones very existence - and thus raise the consciousness to the transcendental platform - allowing us to then develop love for God - which rewards us the return home back to Godhead - to live for eternity in bliss happiness and love...........where birth, disease, old age and death do not exist.
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    12 Apr '12 00:40
    Originally posted by Dasa
    The laws of the animal kingdom are different from the human.

    Humans have developed intelligence to make choices.

    Animals do not have developed intelligence and operate by way of instinct.

    Humans are not forced to act but have free will to choose - and with this free will may choose to act kindly and compassionately and with sensitivity.

    You have to ...[text shortened]... nity in bliss happiness and love...........where birth, disease, old age and death do not exist.
    You state, "The laws of the animal kingdom are different from the human. "

    God gives us dominion over the animals. So we are allowed to use animals for
    our benefit, and that includes eating some of them for food. What makes you
    regard the sacred cow above other animals?

    Your main problem is that you do not understand that Christ is the Way, the
    Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Godhead, but through Him. He is
    the only door.
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    Originally posted by Dasa
    The laws of the animal kingdom are different from the human.

    Humans have developed intelligence to make choices.

    Animals do not have developed intelligence and operate by way of instinct.

    Humans are not forced to act but have free will to choose - and with this free will may choose to act kindly and compassionately and with sensitivity.

    You have to ...[text shortened]... nity in bliss happiness and love...........where birth, disease, old age and death do not exist.
    Thanks for resume of your beliefs about reincarnation, but that is not what I asked is it.

    What I asked is why your lord, the creator of the perfect truth as laid down in the Vedic scripts, created a world where humans eating animals is vehemently opposed to that Vedic truth, and yet created animals which are designed to eat each other?

    Could you explain this please.
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    12 Apr '12 06:37
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    You state, "The laws of the animal kingdom are different from the human. "

    God gives us dominion over the animals. So we are allowed to use animals for
    our benefit, and that includes eating some of them for food. What makes you
    regard the sacred cow above other animals?

    Your main problem is that you do not understand that Christ is the Way, the
    Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Godhead, but through Him. He is
    the only door.
    Christ is the way.....but there is not one Christian who knows this way.

    WHY???

    Because the Bible was compiled by meat eaters and speculators.... not Jesus.

    Jesus would condemn the Bible if he returned.....for it is not his words.
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    12 Apr '12 06:411 edit
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Christ is the way.....but there is not one Christian who knows this way.

    WHY???

    Because the Bible was compiled by meat eaters and speculators.... not Jesus.

    Jesus would condemn the Bible if he returned.....for it is not his words.
    But I'm not interested in your thoughts on Christianity, I already know what you think about it.

    What I asked is:

    why your lord, the creator of the perfect truth as laid down in the Vedic scripts, created a world where humans eating animals is vehemently opposed to that Vedic truth, and yet the same lord created animals which are designed to eat each other?

    Please try to answer the question - thanks.



    Edit: apologies I thought you were replying to me - nevertheless my question remains.
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    13 Apr '12 05:29
    Originally posted by divegeester
    But I'm not interested in your thoughts on Christianity, I already know what you think about it.

    What I asked is:

    [b]why your lord, the creator of the perfect truth as laid down in the Vedic scripts, created a world where humans eating animals is vehemently opposed to that Vedic truth, and yet the same lord created animals which are designed to eat ...[text shortened]... s.



    Edit: apologies I thought you were replying to me - nevertheless my question remains.
    Animals in the wild killing each other for food do not cause each other pain and suffering as do mechanical slaughter houses.

    When one animal devours another - by special arrangement there is little suffering because animals do not have a false ego like humans......and in the attack they dis-associate themselves from the pain. (automatically) just like a monk who sets himself on fire in protest and does not flinch.

    The stronger the false ego the more the suffering and pain. (humans have the most strongest false egos)

    Animals being slaughtered in slaughter houses can smell the death and hear the cries of others and they become very fearful.

    Even if you where to euthanasia the animals - it is not acceptable to eat flesh because it is low class and barbaric - and you are ending the incarnation of that soul in that animal prematurely. ( killing sentient beings is not acceptable)

    Wild animals being food for another keeps down the animal populations.

    The understanding and sensitivity about animal killing - only comes to the consciousness when you engage in true spiritual living - because true spiritual living changes the consciousness from ignorant to enlightened.

    If I could make someone live the true spiritual life for 1 year -they would certainly stop eating meat and be repulsed by it.

    This is the power and the potency of true religion - that it will change people for the better.
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    Originally posted by Dasa
    - by special arrangement there is little suffering because animals do not have a false ego like humans.....
    What "special arrangement" is it that the buffalo has with your 'lord of creation' in this clip?

    YouTube

    *for dasa's eyes only
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    13 Apr '12 06:361 edit
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Wild animals being food for another keeps down the animal populations.
    Is this your 'lord of creation's' only method of controlling the number of 'Animal vehicles for the soul' on this planet? The 'Lord' has arranged for them to eat each other?

    ...it is not acceptable to eat flesh because it is low class and barbaric - and you are ending the incarnation of that soul in that animal prematurely.

    Does an animal eating another animal also end "the incarnation of that soul in that animal prematurely"?
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    Originally posted by divegeester
    What [b]"special arrangement" is it that the buffalo has with your 'lord of creation' in this clip?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvJf51SQyXg

    *for dasa's eyes only[/b]
    I don't need to watch any clip.

    You have made up your mind to defend false religion to the death and killing animals is what is teaches.

    If you don't want to end up in the animal species yourself don't kill them in the first place - and live in accordance with true spiritual principles.

    The animal kingdom can seem brutal at times - but the animal that is torn apart is probably an animal who in a previous life was a human who was very cruel to animals.

    Karma is just and you cannot escape it.

    Karmas works like this........if you kill 10 animals you will be born 10 times as an animal and be killed 10 times yourself.

    If you are cruel to an animal you will return as an animal and someone will be cruel to you.

    As I have said the animals do not have egos like humans - and their brutal deaths are a not as painful as imagined........no matter how savage their attacks are.

    You will not become sensitive to this issue until you begin to live in accordance with true religious principles and become enlightened........so you are trying to understand all of this with the wrong consciousness.

    When you step out of this wrong consciousness and develop the right consciousness you will then understand everything.
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    Originally posted by Dasa
    I don't need to watch any clip.

    You have made up your mind to defend false religion to the death and killing animals is what is teaches.

    If you don't want to end up in the animal species yourself don't kill them in the first place - and live in accordance with true spiritual principles.

    The animal kingdom can seem brutal at times - but the animal that ...[text shortened]... wrong consciousness and develop the right consciousness you will then understand everything.
    There are instances where killing is neccesary, thats the unfortunate part of realization for an intelligent sentient being.

    It is the initial premise that needs to be changed.
    Harder work , but then you kill the problem at its roots.
    Trying to change people one by one is good, but not as good as changing yourself permanently 😉
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    Originally posted by FMF
    Is this your 'lord of creation's' only method of controlling the number of 'Animal vehicles for the soul' on this planet? The 'Lord' has arranged for them to eat each other?

    [b]...it is not acceptable to eat flesh because it is low class and barbaric - and you are ending the incarnation of that soul in that animal prematurely.


    Does an animal eating another animal also end "the incarnation of that soul in that animal prematurely"?[/b]
    Animals killing animals is the way of the jungle and their incarnation is not prematurely affected.

    Herding domesticated animals in pens and putting them through the mechanical slaughter house,s does affect their incarnation prematurely........but karma is so complicated because we now have animals coming back who were once humans who killed animals themselves and they are reaping the karma of their killing.

    We can never work it out accurately on any given day what karma is up to.

    It is enough to know that killing is forbidden for persons wanting to live in accordance with true religious principles.

    If a person has no care for God or religion then they can do as they please.( they do anyway)
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    Originally posted by Dasa
    Karmas works like this........if you kill 10 animals you will be born 10 times as an animal and be killed 10 times yourself. If you are cruel to an animal you will return as an animal and someone will be cruel to you.
    Even if this were true, and assuming you were able to prove it, what would it matter if we are "be born 10 times as an animal" to whom "someone will be cruel", if - when we are in our human incarnation - we have absolutely no memory or perception of it?
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    Originally posted by Dasa
    Animals killing animals is the way of the jungle and their incarnation is not prematurely affected.

    Herding domesticated animals in pens and putting them through the mechanical slaughter house,s does affect their incarnation prematurely........but karma is so complicated because we now have animals coming back who were once humans who killed animals themselv ...[text shortened]...

    If a person has no care for God or religion then they can do as they please.( they do anyway)
    Your post sounds like you are on autopilot. I asked a specific question about "God"'s method of controlling the number of 'Animal vehicles for the soul' on this planet being his arrangement for them to eat each other. This seems ludicrous. Perhaps you have explained it badly?
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