Spirituality
21 Jul 18
Matthew 18:8
And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.
To any Christian here willing to step up...is this instruction by Jesus Christ to be taken literally or is it a metaphor?
Sonship has claimed this is a trick question, I’m not sure why, but I think it’s because if he admits it’s a metaphor then it’s the end of him using “the words of Jesus” as evidence to support the literal eternal torture of billions of people by Jesus...and if he claims it is literal, then that makes him a Christian nutcase doesn’t it.
And so we wait, as the desperate need to keep eternal suffering alive and burning goes on.
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21 Jul 18
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Originally posted by @divegeesterThere were a series of NINE verses that a poster posted.
Sonship has claimed this is a trick question, I’m not sure why, but I think it’s because if he admits it’s a metaphor then it’s the end of him using “the words of Jesus” as evidence to support the literal eternal torture of billions of people by Jesus...and if he claims it is literal, then that makes him a Christian nutcase doesn’t it.
And so we wait, as the desperate need to keep eternal suffering alive and burning goes on.
You asked should those passages be taken literally.
That is what I said was a trick question.
I view them as nine passages containing more than one kind of literary device (for lack of a better expression at the moment).
The list was John 3:36; Rom. 2:5; Rev. 14:10; Matt. 18:8; Matt. 25:41; Matt. 25:46; Jude 7; Matt. 5:22; Luke 12:5.
What I said was a trick question was to challenge "Are these to be taken literally?" I said they are to be taken at face value.
Originally posted by @sonshipIs Matthew 18:8 an instruction by Jesus which is literal or metaphorical?
I view them as nine passages containing more than one kind of literary device (for lack of a better expression at the moment).
It’s a straightforward question sonship and I refer you to the second post in this thread for the reason why you won’t be unequivocal.
21 Jul 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyWouldn't a cut-off hand or cut-off foot literally be a stern note-to-self about "sin" in the future?
Since we already know that neither the hand nor the foot can cause us to sin, I think this should be taken metaphorically.
21 Jul 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterI would say Yes it is literal. The instruction is to remove anything that hinders your entry into the Kingdom of God.
Matthew 18:8
[b]And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.
To any Christian here willing to step up...is this instruction by Jesus Christ to be taken literally or is it a metaphor?[/b]
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Originally posted by @rajk999"The instruction is to remove anything that hinders your entry into the Kingdom of God."
I would say Yes it is literal. The instruction is to remove anything that hinders your entry into the Kingdom of God.
True, but for gravitas, that message is clearly being conveyed metaphorically.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeI dont think so. Lets say a man has an uncontrollable urge to use his hands for evil, stealing, strangling people .. whatever. The point Jesus makes is that with hands that man will not enter the Kingdom of God but will be cast into the fire. Evil and sin is the hindrance to the Kingdom of God. Christians who think otherwise are deluded.
"The instruction is to remove anything that hinders your entry into the Kingdom of God."
True, but for gravitas, that message is clearly being conveyed metaphorically.
Of course the first option would be to control himself, get some help etc. Failing that Jesus advises that he is better removing his hands .. literally.
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21 Jul 18
Originally posted by @rajk999I don't think so. 😉
I dont think so. Lets say a man has an uncontrollable urge to use his hands for evil, stealing, strangling people .. whatever. The point Jesus makes is that with hands that man will not enter the Kingdom of God but will be cast into the fire. Evil and sin is the hindrance to the Kingdom of God. Christians who think otherwise are deluded.
Of course the f ...[text shortened]... get some help etc. Failing that Jesus advises that he is better removing his hands .. literally.
Are the hands independent or governed by the mind and heart?