Originally posted by @eladarPersonal strength of character isn't what saves us from sin that would be God's work
Lol you are such a humanist. Personal strength of character not the God's work carried out.
through Jesus Christ. Walking out our lives in Christ requires we obey God, this isn't to
be good enough, it is what we are supposed to do. I'm not sure what you find so bad
in this that you think I'm a humanist in my position of agreeing we should not cut off body
parts instead resist sin.
Originally posted by @kellyjayThen personal strength of character has nothing to do with it.
Personal strength of character isn't what saves us from sin that would be God's work
through Jesus Christ. Walking out our lives in Christ requires we obey God, this isn't to
be good enough, it is what we are supposed to do. I'm not sure what you find so bad
in this that you think I'm a humanist in my position of agreeing we should not cut off body
parts instead resist sin.
Not sure why you said preach it to humanist hog wash.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeOf course, God would rather people resist sin but God knows that there are some who cannot. In the case of the weak person then the person needs to remove all obstacles to the Kingdom of God.
I get what you are saying, but there is also the biblical teaching to consider of resisting temptation (to sin). So rather than 'literally' cutting off one's own hand to prevent theft (for example) God also would rather like us to have the strength of character to 'keep our hands' and yet somehow manage to stop ourselves from stealing. Consider Jame ...[text shortened]... test, they will receive as their reward the life which God has promised to those who love him.'
Originally posted by @eladarI wouldn't go that far, we don't get to God on our strength, as a matter of fact when we
Lol I just pointed it out. God wanting personal strength of character.
are weak God is strong for us. Whatever we lack that is required He provides, we cannot
do this on our own which is the point of Jesus dying for us.
Originally posted by @kellyjayYou are the one who responded with preach it. If you had said this to begin with I would have said nothing but you didn't. Be careful not to give the humanists false praise or better yet do not be led into their beliefs like you did.
I wouldn't go that far, we don't get to God on our strength, as a matter of fact when we
are weak God is strong for us. Whatever we lack that is required He provides, we cannot
do this on our own which is the point of Jesus dying for us.
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-Removed-Jesus is warning people to remove all obstacles to the Kingdom of God. I know its contrary to OSAS Christianity... which is just profess your faith and believe in your heart and then Jesus does the rest. Unfortunately for these Christians Jesus said no such thing.
Jesus said it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO AVOID SIN AT ALL COSTS. Its not His.. simple. .. ie a simple but effective slap in the face for that OSAS doctrine
Originally posted by @eladarMy praise was not false, I agreed with the words he wrote, for that matter I had to agree
You are the one who responded with preach it. If you had said this to begin with I would have said nothing but you didn't. Be careful not to give the humanists false praise or better yet do not be led into their beliefs like you did.
with Rajk999 as well for what he said. I'm not going to disagree with what I believe to be
true simply because the person that said it doesn't share my faith. Truth will be truth no
matter what, it doesn't depend on how I view anyone or not.
I know people can use the same words and they mean different things to everyone
involved, so the meanings are crossed and there is a real disagreement while the text
can be identical out of both mouths. Given the flow of this discussion I did not see that,
it doesn't mean it isn't there, but I didn't see it.