Originally posted by SuzianneThat's exactly right. It makes me miss the Republicans from the 60's. Hell, even the Republicans from the 80's, most of whom would now be considered unelectable due to being "socialists" by the Tea-Bagger loonies.
Oh, please.
If the average American knew how much the Republicans they elect year after year laugh at them for earning chicken-feed in their $50k a year jobs while they sit back and pay less taxes for making at least 5 times as much, while making sure their corporate cronies who pay for their election funds get their own tax breaks and bailouts, they'd b ...[text shortened]... r corporate sugar-daddies get their billions so they can afford to kick back millions to them.
Originally posted by googlefudgeCorporations pay payroll taxes, investment income taxes, supply benefits to the workers, and keep people employed. Taxing them more may seem fair on the surface but the net result is they will quit supplying benefits, quit investing, and fire MORE people. Is that the result you are looking for?
How about the massive corporations which are making massive profits while paying no
(or negative) taxes and are laying people off, think its the right time to get them to pay their share?
It's not a revenue problem for our bloated, out-of-control-spending government. It's a spending problem.
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Originally posted by sumydidI am not about to get into a fight over economics on a spirituality forum.
Corporations pay payroll taxes, investment income taxes, supply benefits to the workers, and keep people employed. Taxing them more may seem fair on the surface but the net result is they will quit supplying benefits, quit investing, and fire MORE people. Is that the result you are looking for?
It's not a revenue problem for our bloated, out-of-control-spending government. It's a spending problem.
But the biggest corporations are in many cases paying zero taxes.
GE for example, paid zero taxes last year while making over 12 billion net income.
The taxes on the rich and major corporations in your country have plummeted in recent
decades, as have the number of people they employ.
You are in the middle of a jobs crisis, not a (nationally at least) debt crisis.
You have crumbling infrastructure that has to be fixed and upgraded.
You have massive unemployment in the building industry, and prices in that industry are
rock bottom.
You should spend on infrastructure putting tens/hundreds of people to work, who then can
pay their bills and buy stuff stimulating the rest of the economy, and at the same time boost
the economy by improving your infrastructure.
Republicans know this, as they (until this presidency) advocated it, and while they howled against
the undersized stimulus package at the beginning of Obamas presidency they then turned around
and lauded the benefits and claimed credit for it in their own states.
They are hypocritic racists who can't abide having a black (democratic) president, they don't care about
anything else.
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Originally posted by RJHindsThis is my personal favorite:
Quotes from the American founding fathers about God, the Bible and
Christianity:
"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this - that it connected, in
one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of
Christianity." - John Quincy Adams
"The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty. A student's perusal of the sacre wampbubbles.com/bubble/quotes-from-our-founding-fathers-god-and-america
from Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Major John Cartwright entitled
"Saxons, Constitutions and a Case of Pious Fraud" :
"I was glad to find in your book a formal contradition, at length, of the
judiciary usurpation of legislative powers; for such the judges have
usurped in their repeated decisions, that Christianity is a part of the
common law. The proof of the contrary, which you have adduced, is
incontrovertible; to wit, that the common law existed while the
Anglo-Saxons were yet Pagans, at a time when they had never yet heard the
name of Christ pronounced, or knew that such a character had ever existed."
Originally posted by sumydidall those things are myths. taxing them more will not result in any of those things.
Corporations pay payroll taxes, investment income taxes, supply benefits to the workers, and keep people employed. Taxing them more may seem fair on the surface but the net result is they will quit supplying benefits, quit investing, and fire MORE people. Is that the result you are looking for?
It's not a revenue problem for our bloated, out-of-control-spending government. It's a spending problem.
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Originally posted by UllrI did not realize how ignorant Thomas Jefferson was. I guess that is why
This is my personal favorite:
from Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Major John Cartwright entitled
"Saxons, Constitutions and a Case of Pious Fraud" :
"I was glad to find in your book a formal contradition, at length, of the
judiciary usurpation of legislative powers; for such the judges have
usurped in their repeated decisions, that Christianity is ...[text shortened]... yet heard the
name of Christ pronounced, or knew that such a character had ever existed."
he was not a very important president.
P.S. Now, I wonder about these statements:
"The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty. A student's perusal of the sacred
volume will make him a better citizen, a better father, a better husband."
"Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed the conviction
that these liberties are the gift of God?" - Thomas Jefferson
Originally posted by VoidSpiritYou are incorrect. Corporations (hence OWS) are already cutting the fat and thinning their ranks. They are hoarding their profits, waiting for an administration to take over that will legislate some consistency and quit moving the goal posts so they know what the parameters are.
all those things are myths. taxing them more will not result in any of those things.
This administration legislates 10 new regulations a day. Hence, corporations are protecting themselves and their employees by holding on to their cash.
When a Republican takes over and shreds Obamacare and Dodd-Frank, the economy will *boom* possibly like we've never seen it in history.
Originally posted by RJHindsYou are totally right. Jefferson was not a good president because he didn't like christianity. You started this thread without realizing the true feelings of the founding fathers, and now that you are getting a glimpse, you call them bad people. Do you see why people think you are a moron?
I did not realize how ignorant Thomas Jefferson was. I guess that is why
he was not a very important president.
P.S. Now, I wonder about these statements:
"The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty. A student's perusal of the sacred
volume will make him a better citizen, a better father, a better husband."
"Can the liberties of a nation be secu ...[text shortened]... have removed the conviction
that these liberties are the gift of God?" - Thomas Jefferson
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Originally posted by RJHindsI'm not sure why the quote I posted makes you think Thomas Jefferson was ignorant. He's simply stating fact that the system of Common Law has it's roots in pre-Christian, Germanic society. You do realize that not every advancement in civilization comes from Christianity don't you?
I did not realize how ignorant Thomas Jefferson was. I guess that is why
he was not a very important president.
P.S. Now, I wonder about these statements:
"The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty. A student's perusal of the sacred
volume will make him a better citizen, a better father, a better husband."
"Can the liberties of a nation be secu ...[text shortened]... have removed the conviction
that these liberties are the gift of God?" - Thomas Jefferson
Originally posted by UllrQuit lying.
I'm not sure why you the quote I posted makes you think Thomas Jefferson was ignorant. He's simply stating fact that the system of Common Law has it's roots in pre-Christian, Germanic society. You do realize that not every advancement in civilization comes from Christianity don't you?
You know for a fact that every advancement and positive mechanism in the last 2,000 years has Christianity alone to thank. And every negative step backward is because of the cancer and plague called Paganism.
The only question is, how many atrocities have you personally committed upon civilization? If I were to guess, it would take more than 2 hands to count.
Burn! ðŸ˜
Originally posted by usmc7257Maybe, I did not have a very good American History teacher or else I
You are totally right. Jefferson was not a good president because he didn't like christianity. You started this thread without realizing the true feelings of the founding fathers, and now that you are getting a glimpse, you call them bad people. Do you see why people think you are a moron?
was daydreaming during that part.
Originally posted by UllrMaybe a couple.
I'm not sure why the quote I posted makes you think Thomas Jefferson was ignorant. He's simply stating fact that the system of Common Law has it's roots in pre-Christian, Germanic society. You do realize that not every advancement in civilization comes from Christianity don't you?
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Originally posted by sumydid"The only question is, how many atrocities have you personally committed upon civilization? If I were to guess, it would take more than 2 hands to count."
Quit lying.
You know for a fact that every advancement and positive mechanism in the last 2,000 years has Christianity alone to thank. And every negative step backward is because of the cancer and plague called Paganism.
The only question is, how many atrocities have you personally committed upon civilization? If I were to guess, it would take more than 2 hands to count.
Burn! ðŸ˜
I'm working on it.