Quotes from American Founding Fathers

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Originally posted by googlefudge
I never said Christians never did anything good.
They just didn't do it because they were Christian,
And their religion didn't make them good artists, or philanthropists.

And if you can't see the good science has done then you are even more of an idiot than I already thought you were.

It's frankly embarrassing we live in the same nation.

Ever e today and you will see what secular morality
has achieved against religions tyranny.

I never said Christians never did anything good.
They just didn't do it because they were Christian,
And their religion didn't make them good artists, or philanthropists.

unsubstantiated assertion and mere opinion, you have no idea what motivated them
nor can you make the ludicrous claim that it was not their religious convictions. You
fail.

i never stated that science has not done any good, i merely pointed out that there
are two sides to everything, with technology this has been the case as is self
evident. i reserve terms like idiots for persons like you who cannot see that there
are pros and cons and therefore make unfounded assertions without substantiation,
thanks i couldn't have done it without your unprecedented idiocy.

we dont live in the same nation, I am Scottish, ethnically and culturally different, in
fact, if i could i would chisel my way along the border and sail you out into the
Atlantic where you can continue to proffer your deluded and ignorant assertions in
seclusion, for lets face it, they are probably best kept to themselves, anyway.

suck it up you failure, secularism has done nothing for humanity and all such
ingrates are doomed to proffer from their room full of mirrors empty delusions. Did
i mention you were a failure, just saying.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I never said Christians never did anything good.
They just didn't do it because they were Christian,
And their religion didn't make them good artists, or philanthropists.

unsubstantiated assertion and mere opinion, you have no idea what motivated them
nor can you make the ludicrous claim that it was not their religious convictions. You
fai ...[text shortened]... their room full of mirrors empty delusions. Did
i mention you were a failure, just saying.

I agree with Robbie that it is absurd to claim that Christianity has done nothing for the advancement of civilization. I can give one huge example of one of Christianities contribution using one word. Literacy.

Not to metion I think the monastaries of Europe did a bang up job of advancing the art and science of brewing. One taste of the Dopplebock brewed at the Andech's monastary in Bavaria is enough to gain my appreciation for those people.

Originally posted by Ullr
I agree with Robbie that it is absurd to claim that Christianity has done nothing for the advancement of civilization. I can give one huge example of one of Christianities contribution using one word. Literacy.

Not to metion I think the monastaries of Europe did a bang up job of advancing the art and science of brewing. One taste of the Dopplebock brewed at the Andech's monastary in Bavaria is enough to gain my appreciation for those people.

on the brew part it is not like christianity did it, there were simply brewers that happened to be monks and christians. (you probably joked about it) isaac newton was a christian but we don't believe the laws of mechanics were put forth by christianity.

and he did say almost nothing. i don't agree with "almost nothing", the truth is more in the middle, christianity had some bad, some good.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
on the brew part it is not like christianity did it, there were simply brewers that happened to be monks and christians. (you probably joked about it) isaac newton was a christian but we don't believe the laws of mechanics were put forth by christianity.

and he did say almost nothing. i don't agree with "almost nothing", the truth is more in the middle, christianity had some bad, some good.

Yeah I was sort of joking about the brew part of it. Although I really do think the monastic lifestyle (or better yet lack of a lifestyle) gave them the time and attention required to get really, really good at it.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
on the brew part it is not like christianity did it, there were simply brewers that happened to be monks and christians. (you probably joked about it) isaac newton was a christian but we don't believe the laws of mechanics were put forth by christianity.

and he did say almost nothing. i don't agree with "almost nothing", the truth is more in the middle, christianity had some bad, some good.

he wrote more words in his search for religious truth than he did on his scientific
discoveries, also he was motivated to find the workings of the universe and the
intelligence behind it directly from his belief as a Christian.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I never said Christians never did anything good.
They just didn't do it because they were Christian,
And their religion didn't make them good artists, or philanthropists.

unsubstantiated assertion and mere opinion, you have no idea what motivated them
nor can you make the ludicrous claim that it was not their religious convictions. You
fai ...[text shortened]... their room full of mirrors empty delusions. Did
i mention you were a failure, just saying.

secularism has done nothing for humanity.

Yes it has. It's banished the lunatic religious folk to the fringes where over the course of time they will become obsolete. What more could you ask for?!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
he wrote more words in his search for religious truth than he did on his scientific
discoveries, also he was motivated to find the workings of the universe and the
intelligence behind it directly from his belief as a Christian.

He also had more than 50 times the recommended level of mercury in his body when he died. He was, quite literally, mad as a hatter.

Religious Truth® - There's an oxymoron if ever there was one.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]secularism has done nothing for humanity.

Yes it has. It's banished the lunatic religious folk to the fringes where over the course of time they will become obsolete. What more could you ask for?![/b]

Au contraire, we are alive and well and undergoing somewhat of a resurgence! people
are coming to realise that materialism is an empty deception. You of all people
recognise the truth of this Great Obi wan ka Knobi

Originally posted by Proper Knob
He also had more than 50 times the recommended level of mercury in his body when he died. He was, quite literally, mad as a hatter.

Religious Truth® - There's an oxymoron if ever there was one.

But competent enough to write lucid texts on his findings.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
But competent enough to write lucid texts on his findings.

In his early days, in later life he became a little 'strange'.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
In his early days, in later life he became a little 'strange'.

obviously it was secularism what done it to 'im.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Au contraire, we are alive and well and undergoing somewhat of a resurgence! people
are coming to realise that materialism is an empty deception. You of all people
recognise the truth of this Great Obi wan ka Knobi

It is what it is Rob.

Closing your mind off to the evidence (something you admit to) because it doesn't fit in with what you want to believe is certainly not the way to go. No 'truth' will be found down that path. I go where the evidence takes me, and before me stands a big empty ocean.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
obviously it was secularism what done it to 'im.

More like his dabblings in 'alchemy'.

Originally posted by Ullr
Yeah I was sort of joking about the brew part of it. Although I really do think the monastic lifestyle (or better yet lack of a lifestyle) gave them the time and attention required to get really, really good at it.

true that, also the works of art monks did (mural paintings, icons, the books they copied).


middle ages churches did do a wonderful job preserving some masterpieces like greek literature and philosophy.

it could have been better without the censorship they imposed on various fields, but i guess it could have been worse.

maybe playing "what if" games with history isn't that productive. and i think the thread has derailed from what george said and what he meant.