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    21 Feb '14 13:211 edit
    'nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution' - Dobzhansky

    this appears to me to be dogmatic and has resulted in two scientists looking at scorpion flies and drawing conclusions about human rape! How can this be? seriously, because nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution???? really? I mean seriously, really?
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    21 Feb '14 13:23
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    So answer the questions.
    No you answer the question, this is the third time you have been asked, why do men rape? you say you know, so tell us, I told you why i think men commit rape, why cant you?
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    Originally posted by twhitehead
    What is your understanding of the word 'natural' in this context? From a scientific perspective, 'natural' implies 'something that happens in nature', or 'something that happens with less than rare frequency'. I think it is impossible to deny that rape happens amongst humans frequently.
    I think your objection is due to your own incorrect presumption that being 'natural' has some bearing on moral correctness.
    so lets get this, because something happens frequently, its natural, therefore rape because it happens frequently is natural, wow, so the logical consequence must be because an event happens less frequently its not natural or not as natural, naturalness being dependent upon frequency of event, I don't think I've heard anything so absurd in my time here.
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    21 Feb '14 13:27
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    'nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution' - Dobzhansky

    this appears to me to be dogmatic and has resulted in two scientists looking at scorpion flies and drawing conclusions about human rape! How can this be? seriously, because nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution????
    If you want to know, read the book.
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    21 Feb '14 13:29
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    some disagree, it remains to be seen if all disagree!
    From what I've read last 20 mins lots of scientists disagree.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Natural_History_of_Rape#Reception
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    21 Feb '14 13:30
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    If you want to know, read the book.
    Now fess up my son and admit that this dogma has resulted in an absurdity!
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    21 Feb '14 13:31
    Originally posted by Proper Knob
    From what I've read last 20 mins lots of scientists disagree.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Natural_History_of_Rape#Reception
    Good then led us condemn this dogma!
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    21 Feb '14 13:36
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Good then led us condemn this dogma!
    When you say rape is not natural, what do you mean by natural?
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    21 Feb '14 13:36
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    No you answer the question, this is the third time you have been asked, why do men rape? you say you know, so tell us, I told you why i think men commit rape, why cant you?
    I already answered it. I said I agree with the OP that its a mating strategy that has evolved in us. You, on the other hand have not answered the question.
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    21 Feb '14 13:37
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Now fess up my son and admit that this dogma has resulted in an absurdity!
    Dogma, absurdity? That's a loaded question.
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    21 Feb '14 13:38
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    so lets get this, because something happens frequently, its natural, therefore rape because it happens frequently is natural, wow, so the logical consequence must be because an event happens less frequently its not natural or not as natural, naturalness being dependent upon frequency of event, I don't think I've heard anything so absurd in my time here.
    Its simply what I mean by the word. Definitions cannot be absurd. They just are.
    I notice that you still have not given your own definition.
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    21 Feb '14 13:56
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Now fess up my son and admit that this dogma has resulted in an absurdity!
    can you explain why you think the theory put forward is 'dogma'.
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    21 Feb '14 13:58
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    When you accept that looking at human behaviour through the prism of the evolutionary hypothesis and scientific dogma is pure folly! then we can talk.
    can you explain why the study i mentioned is folly?
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    21 Feb '14 13:59
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    'nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution' - Dobzhansky

    this appears to me to be dogmatic and has resulted in two scientists looking at scorpion flies and drawing conclusions about human rape! How can this be? seriously, because nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution???? really? I mean seriously, really?
    Maybe you see it as dogma because what it contradicts is dogma. But it's one scientist's opinion and it's not science. Shared by many who like him devote their life's work to evolutionary biology. I can imagine a ballet dancer saying nothing in dance makes sense without ballet.
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    21 Feb '14 14:43
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    can you explain why the study i mentioned is folly?
    yes because rioters and policemen are not foxes and rabbits.
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