Originally posted by RJHindsYes I know, that's an "insert a platitude here" retort. I am talking about your behaviour towards your fellow community members. It isn't "the Lord" that posts here and says the things you do, after all, it's you, and you alone.
My security rests in the Lord and Him alone.
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Originally posted by FMFYou are right about that. The Lord is doing no posting here. There are too
Yes I know, that's an "insert a platitude here" retort. I am talking about your behaviour towards your fellow community members. It isn't "the Lord" that posts here and says the things you do, after all, it's you, and you alone.
many unbelievers here, so the Lord has to get another sinner to come among
all these other sinners to take care of such filthy work. This is why I said I
would rather be doing something else. But he Holy Spirit compels me to
continue here a bit longer. Perhaps there is one here that needs a little nudge
to repent.
Originally posted by RJHindsIf you believe the so called "Holy Spirit" is dictating your behaviour - or "filthy work", as you describe it - in some way, then that is for you to assert and other Christians to respond to if they want to. I am more interested in the answer to: Why do you resort to accusing people of "lying" when they disagree with or differ from you ? It strikes me as sterile and vain, rather than spiritual or insightful.
You are right about that. The Lord is doing no posting here. There are too
many unbelievers here, so the Lord has to get another sinner to come among
all these other sinners to take care of such filthy work. This is why I said I
would rather be doing something else. But he Holy Spirit compels me to
continue here a bit longer. Perhaps there is one here that needs a little nudge
to repent.
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Originally posted by FMFYour opinion is irrelevant to the actions of the Holy Spirit. I only accuse a
If you believe the so called "Holy Spirit" is dictating your behaviour - or "filthy work", as you describe it - in some way, then that is for you to assert and other Christians to respond to if they want to. I am more interested in the answer to: Why do you resort to accusing people of "lying" when they disagree with or differ from you ? It strikes me as sterile and vain, rather than spiritual or insightful.
person of lying when they are lying, not when they just disagree with me.
You are probably thinking of Dasa.
Originally posted by FMFI got from you that you had something then lost it, which was I believe you
I hear what you're saying and I am saying that I did have that relationship and that I was a Christian. And I am not one any longer. All your stuff about me just "singing the songs" and "pretending to walk with God" and how I "faked [my] life" and me "going through the motions" and only having "carried the label" and me "just play acting" and my faith being no m ...[text shortened]... thoughts" are all just an incredible stream of clumsy and presumptuous straw men.
called it, "the Christian faith" and what that means I don't know. You and I
part company there, as scripture says that the devil believes in God but that
does not make the devil a Christian. So just acknowledging there is some
truth the faith Christian isn't enough to be a Christian. I do believe something
happened to you, that you were walking in Christian circles, but a lot of
people are doing that and not many of them have really taken the time to
get right with God in Jesus Christ, they maybe saying a lot of the words, and
singing the songs, but their hearts are not right with God, they remain lost.
If you are telling me Jesus Christ and you had a relationship, that you knew
Him and now find Him unworthy of following, okay in my eyes I accept what
you are saying, but I feel what I told you will remain true as far as what
Jesus is going to say.
Kelly
Originally posted by FMFIt doesn't matter what I think it only matters what Jesus is going to say. I can
Not being a Christian anymore, what you believe Christ "will be quite justified in saying" to me "on judgment day" is hardly relevant to me now.
If a lifelong friend of yours, a fellow Christian, lost her faith during a difficult and unsuccessful battle with sickness, and died no longer believing in Christ, would you say that she had never been a Christian during her lifetime?
be completely wrong about you or anyone else, I'm no one of consquence to
yours or anyone else's salvation. Life long struggles I do not think would ever
cause someone who knew Lord to lose their faith in God, as a matter of fact
those things tend to strenghten our walks with God as He carries us through
them since He promises us that He would never leave or farsake us. Having
gone through a few struggles myself, I can tell you God is faithful.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayNo worries. I am aware of the "consequence" or lack thereof of yours or anyone else's assertions on a message board, so that's OK. Same goes for mine, too. It's just a discussion. If you claim that I was "never a Christian" then, yes, you are completely wrong. But the concept of "salvation" through Jesus is no longer relevant to me.
It doesn't matter what I think it only matters what Jesus is going to say. I can
be completely wrong about you or anyone else, I'm no one of consquence to
yours or anyone else's salvation.
Originally posted by KellyJayIf you don't know what "Christian faith" is then it is very presumptuous of you to parade so many facile and condescending straw men past me, and now add to it the belief of "the devil" too. If you're trying to mock me in some way, you ought to know that after 6-7 years on this web site, I have rather thicker skin than you seem to think I have.
I got from you that you had something then lost it, which was I believe you
called it, "the Christian faith" and what that means I don't know.
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Originally posted by FMFNot trying to mock you.
If you don't know what "Christian faith" is then it is very presumptuous of you to parade so many facile and condescending straw men past me, and now add to it the belief of "the devil" too. If you're trying to mock me in some way, you ought to know that after 6-7 years on this web site, I have rather thicker skin than you seem to think I have.
It was again simply addressing beliefs about what a Christian is nothing more.
I know what I think the Christian faith is, but that does not mean you and I
agree upon that either, so my questions to you were more about what you
think each topic means. I have talked to members of other faiths who from
time to time use the same words I do when in discussions on faith, but when
they do it they mean different things because they define things differently.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayPeople churning out a whole phalanx of unsubtle, condescending straw men usually are trying to mock the person they are addressing, but if you now claim you weren't, that's OK. Either way it's water off a duck's back to me.
Not trying to mock you.
It was again simply addressing beliefs about what a Christian is nothing more.
Like I said before, I don't see how debating your personal definition of "Christian" has anything to do with me having been a Christian in an earlier part of my life. Do you claim it is your right to decide who is a Christian and who is not? What happens when a Christian tells you that you are not a Christian or that you never were a Christian?
Originally posted by FMFIt’s happened here where I was told I wasn't.
People churning out a whole phalanx of unsubtle, condescending straw men usually are trying to mock the person they are addressing, but if you now claim you weren't, that's OK. Either way it's water off a duck's back to me.
[b]It was again simply addressing beliefs about what a Christian is nothing more.
Like I said before, I don't see how debating you ...[text shortened]... en a Christian tells you that you are not a Christian or that you never were a Christian?[/b]
I don't care.
I listen to what they say in case there is some truth to what is said to me, I do
try change my behavior if I'm at fault.
I believe Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church not any man on earth, and if
you are not walking with Him it does not matter if the world loves you or not,
or if you are walking with Him it does not matter if the world hates you or not.
I do believe He loves each of us so that I need to treat everyone with respect
since Jesus died for us all. I don't want to cause anyone to stay away from
Jesus Christ because of my bad behavior.
The bottom line for me and who is a Christain are just those that come to
God through Jesus Christ since Jesus is the foundation of our faith if you are
not right with Him you are still lost.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI am not sure which bits of what you are saying here apply to me, but if you are accepting that I was once a Christian and that I am now longer one, and that this does not mean - for you - that I was "never a Christian", then that's good.
It’s happened here where I was told I wasn't. I don't care. I listen to what they say in case there is some truth to what is said to me, I do try change my behavior if I'm at fault. I believe Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church not any man on earth, and if you are not walking with Him it does not matter if the world loves you or not, or if you are walkin ...[text shortened]... since Jesus is the foundation of our faith if you are not right with Him you are still lost.