Originally posted by FMFIf you would reread the post of KellyJay with a mind to understand rather than to find
You seem to accuse people of "lying" quite often on this forum and then seem unwilling to explain yourself. You also frequently claim to be offering "insight" on this forum. Why not explain what you mean by your claim that I "would only be lying"?
fault, you would see his idea of being a Christian is much different from yours.
All you have to do is claim the title and go through some motions as a pretender.
That is what makes a Christian in your eyes.
18 Mar 12
Originally posted by RJHindsBut I didn't "go through some motions as a pretender". What makes you say I did?
If you would reread the post of KellyJay with a mind to understand rather than to find fault, you would see his idea of being a Christian is much different from yours. All you have to do is claim the title and go through some motions as a pretender. That is what makes a Christian in your eyes.
18 Mar 12
Originally posted by FMFI've asked you a couple of times, did you have a relationship with God in
Is this the basis upon which you have suggested I am "lying"?
Jesus Christ? You claimed you were a Christian, I said okay, you can claim
anything you want. You can define a Christian as someone who claims to be,
and that is all it takes to be one. If that is all it takes to be a Christian in your
eyes, why sure you were a Christian under those conditions, but if you define
one as one who actually is walking with God in Jesus Christ as I have been
telling you, I doubt you could or would walk away to reject Jesus as you have.
What made you a Christian when you claimed you were, then what changed?
Kelly
18 Mar 12
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Originally posted by FMFLying about what? I didn't read his points, I've been focusing on your replies
I had Christian faith. And then I lost it and it is gone.
Do you endorse RJHind's accusation that I am "lying"?
to me. I am not saying you were lying, I am trying to define terms with
you as in what makes someone a Christian or not. If you think it is only that
you claim to be then under those conditions you were, not sure what you
mean by having Christian faith. That mean you just acknowledge it as true
but later didn't think it was, was that all it took to be a Christian? For you to
be a Christain it is just a (I think that's true for now) statement till a losing
debate or something hard comes along?
Kelly
18 Mar 12
Originally posted by KellyJayWell take a look. Do you endorse RJHind's accusation that I am "lying"? He has done so based on the exchange between you and me. Do you endorse his view?
Lying about what? I didn't read his points, I've been focusing on your replies
to me. I am not saying you were lying, I am trying to define terms with
you as in what makes someone a Christian or not.
18 Mar 12
Originally posted by JS357Words have meaning, saying you had something then lost it means you had
That's right. Why would FMF's saying he had a personal relationship with Christ carry any more or less weight than his saying he was a Christian? We learn to use figures of speech. Some of us did not learn to testify to our faith in the ways that others learned. But there are no magically credible words. Are there?
something, saying you were something then are no longer means you changed.
Kelly
18 Mar 12
Originally posted by KellyJayI don't see how debating your personal definition of "Christian" has anything to do with me having been a Christian and me having stopped being one. I am willing to accept that you are a Christian as you claim to be. It does not matter if your definition is somewhat different to mine or if we would have disagreed about certain aspects of our faith. Do you not fear being seen as extremely presumptuous if you claim that I was "never" a Christian?
...I am trying to define terms with you as in what makes someone a Christian or not. If you think it is only that you claim to be then under those conditions you were, not sure what you mean by having Christian faith.
18 Mar 12
Originally posted by FMFI read his posts, I'm not sure what he thinks you lied about it wasn't clearly
Well take a look. Do you endorse RJHind's accusation that I am "lying"? He has done so based on the exchange between you and me. Do you endorse his view?
spelled out. I can guess, but my guess would be as good as yours.
Kelly
18 Mar 12
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Originally posted by KellyJayWell do you think I am "lying"? Maybe we can find out if you endorse what RJHinds said by seeing what you think.
I read his posts, I'm not sure what he thinks you lied about it wasn't clearly
spelled out. I can guess, but my guess would be as good as yours.
18 Mar 12
Originally posted by FMFI already said, you can claim to be or have been anthing you want. Your
I don't see how debating your personal definition of "Christian" has anything to do with me having been a Christian and me having stopped being one. I am willing to accept that you are a Christian as you claim to be. It does not matter if your definition is somewhat different to mine or if we would have disagreed about certain aspects of our faith. Do you not fear being seen as extremely presumptuous if you claim that I was "never" a Christian?
views on what a Christian is, is quite different than mine. My only point to you
now would be Christ on judgment day will be quite justified in saying He never
knew you, not that He knew you once then you left.
Kelly
18 Mar 12
Originally posted by KellyJayAnd it is on this basis you claim I was "never a Christian"?
Your views on what a Christian is, is quite different than mine.
If someone was, for example, a Muslim for 20-30 years and then converted to, say, Christianity or became a theist of no particular religion. Would you then claim that they were never really a Muslim throughout those 20-30 years?