religious denominations

Originally posted by FMF
And it is on this basis you claim I was "never a Christian"?

If someone was, for example, a Muslim for 20-30 years and then converted to, say, Christianity or became a theist of no particular religion. Would you then claim that they were never really a Muslim throughout those 20-30 years?

I've pointed my views on this out to you a number of times. In order to be
called a baseball player actually means you have to have played baseball.
If all that is required for you to be a Christian is to have warm and fuzzy
thoughts on about the Christian faith, then you were a Christian, if as I have
said to you that being a Christian means one has a right relationship with
God through Jesus Christ then if you say you never had that you were never
a Christian.

The justness of people claims on what they were or are will depend on how we
define what it is they are claiming to have been or are.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
So you condemn or at least disagree with RJHinds' comments directed at me on this thread (over the last couple of pages) or do you endorse them?

I do not think you are lying, I think where we are at odds are on what makes
one a Christian. We do not see eye to eye on this, that does not make you a
liar, only wrong. 🙂
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
My only point to you now would be Christ on judgment day will be quite justified in saying He never knew you, not that He knew you once then you left.

Not being a Christian anymore, what you believe Christ "will be quite justified in saying" to me "on judgment day" is hardly relevant to me now.

If a lifelong friend of yours, a fellow Christian, lost her faith during a difficult and unsuccessful battle with sickness, and died no longer believing in Christ, would you say that she had never been a Christian during her lifetime?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I do not think you are lying, I think where we are at odds are on what makes
one a Christian. We do not see eye to eye on this, that does not make you a
liar, only wrong.

Wrong about what? I used to be a Christian. Now I am not. What am I "wrong" about in your view?

Originally posted by RJHinds
I see myself as a reaper of true believers in dividing the wheat from the chaff.

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/issuesoflife/dividingwheat.htm

There is no 'e' in raper use a spellchecker.

Originally posted by KellyJay
...if as I have
said to you that being a Christian means one has a right relationship with
God through Jesus Christ then if you say you never had that you were never
a Christian.

I hear what you're saying and I am saying that I did have that relationship and that I was a Christian. And I am not one any longer. All your stuff about me just "singing the songs" and "pretending to walk with God" and how I "faked [my] life" and me "going through the motions" and only having "carried the label" and me "just play acting" and my faith being no more than "warm and fuzzy thoughts" are all just an incredible stream of clumsy and presumptuous straw men.

Originally posted by FMF
I hear what you're saying and I am saying that I did have that relationship and that I was a Christian. And I am not one any longer. All your stuff about me just "singing the songs" and "pretending to walk with God" and how I "faked [my] life" and me "going through the motions" and only having "carried the label" and me "just play acting" and my faith being no m ...[text shortened]... thoughts" are all just an incredible stream of clumsy and presumptuous straw men.

Why then have you turned away your love from Christ?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Why then have you turned away your love from Christ?

Well, because I don't believe it is the right spiritual path to follow anymore.

Please answer the previous question about the basis upon which you claim I am - or would be - "lying". You seem to accuse fellow posters of "lying" at the drop of a hat and it doesn't mean much, as a result. I'm curious as to what you felt was the justification in this latest instance.

Originally posted by FMF
Well, because I don't believe it is the right spiritual path to follow anymore.

Please answer the previous question about the basis upon which you claim I am - or would be - "lying". You seem to accuse fellow posters of "lying" at the drop of a hat and it doesn't mean much, as a result. I'm curious as to what you felt was the justification in this latest instance.

Could you stop loving your children because you believed they were no longer as
good as you once thought they were? That is my justification.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Could you stop loving your children because you believed they were no longer as
good as you once thought they were? That is my justification.

No I could not stop loving my children. But even if someone did stop loving their children it would not mean that they had never loved their children.

Originally posted by RJHinds
That is my justification.

No, you misunderstand. I am asking for your justification for suggesting that I am "lying" when I say I used to be a Christian.

Originally posted by FMF
No, you misunderstand. I am asking for your justification for suggesting that I am "lying" when I say I used to be a Christian.

Maybe, I have no justification in your eyes. By in my eyes, once love for Christ
enters ones heart, there is no discarding the Way, the Truth, and the Life for
another. Maybe it was just infatuation you experienced and not true love. For
now you say He is not the right path. But let me tell you the truth, all other
paths lead to destruction.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Maybe, I have no justification in your eyes. By in my eyes, once love for Christ
enters ones heart, there is no discarding the Way, the Truth, and the Life for
another. Maybe it was just infatuation you experienced and not true love. For
now you say He is not the right path. But let me tell you the truth, all other
paths lead to destruction.

Why are you and dasa so obsessed with FMF's beliefs?

Oh, of course I forgot you ARE dasa...

Originally posted by RJHinds
Maybe, I have no justification in your eyes. By in my eyes, once love for Christ
enters ones heart, there is no discarding the Way, the Truth, and the Life for
another. Maybe it was just infatuation you experienced and not true love. For
now you say He is not the right path. But let me tell you the truth, all other
paths lead to destruction.

But why do you resort to accusing people who disagree with you of "lying"?

To be frank, with my student-of-human-nature hat on, I'd have to say it comes across as deep, deep insecurity about your own stated beliefs; you lurch between parroted regurgitations and quotes from your religious literature where other Christians have often suggested that you don't really understand what you're quoting, on one hand, to clumsy ad hominems and evasive non-sequiturs and vapid pronouncements on the other.

Insecurity. That's what it sounds like. You have admitted to being a sinner and imperfect (in terms of your own faith); do you admit to feeling a little insecure too?

Originally posted by FMF
But why do you resort to accusing people who disagree with you of "lying"?

To be frank, with my student-of-human-nature hat on, I'd have to say it comes across as deep, deep insecurity about your own stated beliefs; you lurch between parroted regurgitations and quotes from your religious literature where other Christians have often suggested that you don't r ...[text shortened]... and imperfect (in terms of your own faith); do you admit to feeling a little insecure too?

My security rests in the Lord and Him alone.