Originally posted by galveston75The only think you are doing is showing you lack of God now.
How can it be? Did you understand my comment about Jesus and how that applies to humans too?
The scriptures says that believe in Jesus and "you will" be saved. It does not say "you are" saved. The salvation is for a future time just as it was for Jesus. Do you really feel you are worthy now as a human that can and will still sin when even Jesus was not ...[text shortened]... m earth is ever saved until they "might" go to heaven and only chosen by God to go there.
Kelly
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Rajk999, By "Bible student" I did not mean a formal seminarian or pupil in any Bible College. I simply meant a learner in studying the Bible. And that you are or you wouldn't be writing anything here.
I never said I was I bible student.
I am a follower of the doctrine of Christ not witness Lee or Charles Russell.
'Whatever' means 'depart in peace with your false doctrine'.
Are you going to point out the false doctrine I taught here ?
Point out the false doctrine Witness Lee taught.
Or are you just going to pay Lip Service to standing for true teaching and accusing others of false doctrine teaching ?
If so then you're the one behaving like the Pharisee you accused me reminding you of.
http://an-open-letter.org/
Originally posted by sonship'depart in peace with your false doctrine'.Rajk999, By "Bible student" I did not mean a formal seminarian or pupil in any Bible College. I simply meant a learner in studying the Bible. And that you are o ...[text shortened]... ving like the Pharisee you accused me reminding you of.
I never said I was I bible student.
I am a follower of the doctrine of Christ not witness Lee or Charles Russell.
'Whatever' means 'depart in peace with your false doctrine'.
http://an-open-letter.org/
I already answered you
Christ said that there are many who will not get eternal life and you said that these same people cannot lose their gift of eternal life.
Are you are greater authority than Christ?
This is my last post to you. Im not interested in your foolish doctrine which is totally contrary to everything Christ preached.
Originally posted by RJHindsLol. So what was that date that everyone became saved now?
Most Christian look at it this way:
The time that the statement was said was in the past and is talking about the future. Believe and you shall be saved. However, the Christian says to himself, I am in the future to that saying and I believe now, so I am saved now, because I already believe now.
The Instructor
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Originally posted by Rajk999
'depart in peace with your false doctrine'.
I already answered you
Christ said that there are many who will not get eternal life and you said that these same people cannot lose their gift of eternal life.
Are you are greater authority than Christ?
This is my last post to you. Im not interested in your foolish doctrine which is totally contrary to everything Christ preached.
'depart in peace with your false doctrine'.
You have not demonstrated any doctrine I spoke of here is false.
I already answered you
You said "Whatever" which is a completely inadequate reply to prove I taught false doctrine.
Christ said that there are many who will not get eternal life and you said that these same people cannot lose their gift of eternal life.
Once you are born again you cannot be UNBORN.
"Once saved always saved" - which is not a phrase that I use, but if I did use it, would not mean "Once saved never disciplined."
Just because you point to many passages showing God's warning or discipline or punishment or displeasure or loss of reward with a Christian DOES NOT prove the revocation of the GIFT of eternal life.
I have known ALL of the passages you are dying to tell me, for a long, long time. YOU assume that I never knew about them.
So you have pinned no false teaching on me. I'm interested to see what it is. You haven't the skill or enthusiasm to take the task to show anyone.
Are you are greater authority than Christ?
Are you ?
This is my last post to you. Im not interested in your foolish doctrine which is totally contrary to everything Christ preached.
That only means that I can just show the errors in your posts without being concerned with your flimsy inadequate reasonings.
http://an-open-letter.org/
Originally posted by sonshipUntil you are perfect and cannot sin, you are not saved. Nothing else to explain.'depart in peace with your false doctrine'.
You have not demonstrated any doctrine I spoke of here is false.
I already answered you
You said "Whatever" which is a completely inadequate reply to prove I taught false doctrine.
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Christ said that there are many who will not get eternal life and y ...[text shortened]... g concerned with your flimsy inadequate reasonings.
http://an-open-letter.org/
Originally posted by kd2aczTo be born again which is being reborn or given a new life, a spiritual one when one God chooses you to be a part of the choosen ones who go to heaven when resurrected, is in affect being reborn but not with a fleshy body but a spiritual one.
Are JW 'born again'?
So no most JW's are not reborn in that sense as most JW's hope to be part of the "Great Crowd" that survives thru armegeddon. The only thing is if we like all other humans that have died or that will still die before armegeddon, will be given life again, so in a sence we all would be reborn to live once again on earth.
Originally posted by galveston75Christ is my perfect righteousness for eternal redemption and eternal life.
Until you are perfect and cannot sin, you are not saved. Nothing else to explain.
My history is Christ.
It is no longer my record of sins. God looks upon my past record and sees only His perfect Son - Christ.
Originally posted by galveston75The date will vary and depends on the time the Holy Spirit comes upon each person, like at the day of Pentecost for the early church. However, that does not gaurantee the person will speak in other tongues like some think today in my humble opinion.
Lol. So what was that date that everyone became saved now?
The Instructor.
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Originally posted by RJHindsThe date the disciples received the Holy Spirit for regeneration was the day that Jesus rose from the dead, in the evening (John 20:19-25)
The date will vary and depends on the time the Holy Spirit comes upon each person, like at the day of Pentecost for the early church. However, that does not gaurantee the person will speak in other tongues like some think today in my humble opinion.
The Instructor.
On the day of Pentecost some 40 days latter plus 10 days of prayer in the upper room, the Holy Spirit came upon them to empower them to work for God (Acts 2:1-4)
The first instance in John 20:19-25 was the fulfillment of Christ's promise that the Holy Spirit as "another Comforter" , the Spirit of truth [or reality] would come. John generally describes the promises of chapter 14 and 16 about the Holy Spirit to be fulfilled on the evening of the day of Christ's resurrection.
The event of Pentecost was fulfillment of "the promise of the Father" to empower the disciples with the Holy Spirit found in Luke 24:49; comp Acts 1:4) .
We may count the first coming to be the essential coming of the Spirit to regenerate the disciples. We may count the Pentecost event 50 days latter as the economical coming to equip the believers to work for God.
I personally count the regenerating of the disciples in John 20 as the beginning of the new testament church proper. Then they inwardly received the Spirit of Christ. He symbolically breathed Himself into the disciples.