Romans 8

Originally posted by Rajk999
Ok so that is my interpretation also. I will repeat it :

[b] The people thought that their works were good, but Christ said they were evil workers [workers of iniquity]. Clearly their works were not good works [for whatever reason]

And I futher agree that good works has nothing to do with volume but with the motive and the heart and mind of the Chr ...[text shortened]... hey did not have a personal relationship with Christ[/b], that Christ rejected their good works?[/b]

He may be saying the same thing in his own way. You will have to ask him if he agrees with what I said to make sure.

Originally posted by RJHinds
He may be saying the same thing in his own way. You will have to ask him if he agrees with what I said to make sure.

Did that already. He does not agree with you.

Originally posted by Rajk999
In the opening post I explained why Matt 7 does not fit your doctrine. I said:

[b]Christ is saying here that these peoples works were NOT GOOD as they are WORKERS OF INIQUITY.

You on the other hand are saying that the peoples works are GOOD but Christ still rejected them.

You are not repeating what the Bible says but adding your little assumpti ...[text shortened]... L WORKERS.

It is NOT as you say ie that their works were GOOD but CHrist still rejected them.[/b]

They were doing good works, or do you deny what they claimed they had
done in Jesus names were really good works?
Kelly

Originally posted by Rajk999
I think you used the expression 'good works done in the flesh are meaningless'?

I asked you what you think good works counted for, I explained why no
matter what anyone does in the flesh will not please God. So tell me what
you think they do count for no matter if they are done in the flesh towards
God.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
They were doing good works, or do you deny what they claimed they had
done in Jesus names were really good works?
Kelly

Christ said they were not doing good works ie workers of iniquity.

What people claim is of no value.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I asked you what you think good works counted for, I explained why no
matter what anyone does in the flesh will not please God. So tell me what
you think they do count for no matter if they are done in the flesh towards
God.
Kelly

Christ said what good works counted for and he was pretty clear.

Now you keep asking me about this 'in the flesh' business and I asked you what that means and you cannot answer.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Christ said what good works counted for and he was pretty clear.

Now you keep asking me about this 'in the flesh' business and I asked you what that means and you cannot answer.

I've answered you more than once, and I used very clear language. You
just refuse to acknowledge it, if you are not in God's Spirit, you are in your
own, you are driven by your flesh!

I am asking you about good works towards God that are done by those
who are not following God's Spirit, does God accept them according to you,
is God pleased with them? I gave you my scripture for my point of view,
please share what it is you think and why.
Kelly

Originally posted by Rajk999
Christ said they were not doing good works ie workers of iniquity.

What people claim is of no value.

What they claim and what they do are of no value, only Jesus Christ is of
value and only through Him can you please God.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I've answered you more than once, and I used very clear language. You
just refuse to acknowledge it, if you are not in God's Spirit, you are in your
own, you are driven by your flesh!

I am asking you about good works towards God that are done by those
who are not following God's Spirit, does God accept them according to you,
is God pleased with them? ...[text shortened]... I gave you my scripture for my point of view,
please share what it is you think and why.
Kelly

That is not clear language at all.

Do you know who is and who is not in Gods Spirit? Do I? Does anyone except Christ?

How can that be an answer to who is in the flesh?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Christ said they were not doing good works ie workers of iniquity.

What people claim is of no value.

Luke 18 NIV
People who rely on their good works are not relying on God's, those that
seek to justify themselves by their works are not justified by God's. The
works can be good, and we are not debating what a good work is at least
I don't think we are. It is Jesus who saves us not we are selves.
Kelly

9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Originally posted by Rajk999
That is not clear language at all.

Do you know who is and who is not in Gods Spirit? Do I? Does anyone except Christ?

How can that be an answer to who is in the flesh?

Those that belong to God are in God's Spirit, why do you looked troubled
by this? Their lives will be loving, kind, they will be walking out the lives
that God has made for them. It isn't your job to figure out who they are
and are not, it is your job to love God, and everyone around you, those
that in God's family, and those that are not since Jesus died for them all.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Those that belong to God are in God's Spirit, why do you looked troubled
by this? Their lives will be loving, kind, they will be walking out the lives
that God has made for them. It isn't your job to figure out who they are
and are not, it is your job to love God, and everyone around you, those
that in God's family, and those that are not since Jesus died for them all.
Kelly

OK .. I have had enough. You are going in circles.

Originally posted by Rajk999
OK .. I have had enough. You are going in circles.

Answer my questions!
Does God accept anything done by those that are not walking in His Spirit?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Answer my questions!
Does God accept anything done by those that are not walking in His Spirit?
Kelly

And I keep telling you that you are not explaining what you mean by 'walking in his spirit'. Neither can you explain what you mean by 'walking in the flesh'.

You say if you not walking in the spirit you are walking in the flesh and viceverse.

Explain what you mean. Only then can I answer your question.

Originally posted by Rajk999
And I keep telling you that you are not explaining what you mean by 'walking in his spirit'. Neither can you explain what you mean by 'walking in the flesh'.

You say if you not walking in the spirit you are walking in the flesh and viceverse.

Explain what you mean. Only then can I answer your question.

Wow, you surprise me!
If you belong to the Lord, and have the Lord living in you, and you are doing
all you know to do following God's lead. You are doing the works of the Lord
walking in the Spirit of God.

If you do not belong to the Lord, if you do not have the Spirit of God living
in you, and you are odds with God, because you are following your nature, which
is the flesh. Than nothing you do can or will please God, the nature of
unrepentant, unsaved man is corrupt and it cannot please God.

You should be able to answer my question regardless of my answers to you.
What do you think the works of someone at odds with God, because they
refuse Him mean to God? No matter what kind of works they do!?
Kelly