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Common sense one cannot follow Christ's commands with not knowing what they are. 613 Old Testament commands and 1,050 New Testament commands.
Originally posted by RBHILLDo you really think that as we abide in Christ moment by moment, the commands of the Spirit of Christ can be numbered ?
Common sense one cannot follow Christ's commands with not knowing what they are. 613 Old Testament commands and 1,050 New Testament commands.
Originally posted by RBHILLThe Bible does not speak kindly of people like yourself, neither does society in general. You will find a whole load of demeaning sayings and comments about the lazy and slothful and those who find all kinds of reasons why something cannot be done.
Common sense one cannot follow Christ's commands with not knowing what they are. 613 Old Testament commands and 1,050 New Testament commands.
Originally posted by sonship[b] If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Originally posted by Rajk999Not a lot of good things said about those that would hide Christ from those
The Bible does not speak kindly of people like yourself, neither does society in general. You will find a whole load of demeaning sayings and comments about the lazy and slothful and those who find all kinds of reasons why something cannot be done.
[b]Pro 22:13 The slothful man saith, There is a lion without, I shall be slain in the streets. [/b]
Originally posted by Rajk999
I think John chapters 14 & 15 has the answer to your questions.
I know you would like to believe in this OSAS business
but if you read the whole chapter [and other parts of Acts for eg] it is clear that the state/conduct of the early church was very much in line with the teachings of Christ.
Originally posted by Rajk999
In John 14 & 15, Christ says clearly that He will make his abode with those who follow his commandments. The he says it the other way .. those who DO NOT ABIDE IN HIM ARE CAST AWAY .. .
So interpret that how you wish. The way I see it those who do not follow Christ commandments are in for a rough ride.
Originally posted by sonship[b] If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Originally posted by KellyJayIs this addressed to Rajk999 or sonship ?
Why do you ask this or care, since according to you the Holy Spirit isn't
necessary just good works are? The issue isn't that God gives His Holy
Spirit to those that accept Him, this we know He does. The only question
you are odds with is that you believe it does not matter since according to
you, good works are enough, and not only are enough the only thing that
matters.
Kelly
Originally posted by sonshipI know it was a mistake to engage you in what I was hoping [foolishly]to be a fruitful discussion.I think John chapters 14 & 15 has the answer to your questions.
The question of whether the Holy Spirit is given to abide forever and permanently or conditionally and temporarily is answered in [b]John 14:16. That was the verse that you quoted.
The Holy Spirit is given to abide with the Christians forever.
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I know y ...[text shortened]... at Ananias and Saphira lost their eternal redemption and forfeited eternal life (Acts 5).[/b]
Originally posted by Rajk999
I know it was a mistake to engage you in what I was hoping [foolishly]to be a fruitful discussion.
I read the first 3 or 4 lines where you took what Christ said to his 12 disciples and extrapolated that on to all the 2,500,000,000 Christians around the world and who knows how many in the last 2000 years ... totaling probably 4 to 5 billion.
Christ said that was going to be with his 12 faithful, tried and proven disciples chosen by God to sit on the 12 thrones of the 12 tribes of Israel ... forever.
New American Standard Bible
If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
King James Bible
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Now Im pretty sure that Christ would have been with many more Christians since that time However, it is very wrong to apply that to every Christian, as Christ said who exactly he was going to be with... THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIS COMMANDMENTS. No amount of Bible gymnastics can change that.
Originally posted by sonshipIts not that hard. Once you recognize that not everything in the Bible applies to all Christians you can figure it out. Something like this applies to all people:I know it was a mistake to engage you in what I was hoping [foolishly]to be a fruitful discussion.
Yes, you usually say that. But still you do give it a good college try.
It is with the [b]Bible that you have difficulty.
Don't ascribe more to me than you should.
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I read the first 3 or 4 lines where you took what ...[text shortened]... nd others have their portion. It is faithfulness to what God has apportioned to us which counts.[/b]
Originally posted by Rajk999You managed to read my whole post this time ? Why I'm flattered. lol.
Its not that hard. Once you recognize that not everything in the Bible applies to all Christians you can figure it out. Something like this applies to all people:
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. ... If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. (John 14:21-23 KJV)
This applies to only the 12 disciples:
Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe? Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me. (John 16:31-32 KJV)
Look at the wording and the context.
Finally I am in total agreement that Christ does not expect all his followers to be spiritual giants like Paul, and I have said nothing to imply such a thing. There are all kinds of people that Christ would accept from weak and sinful to strong resilient who are capable of resisting all kinds of evil.
However, the Bible does not say that all those who accept Christ with their mouth will get eternal life. There are some sins that will not be forgiven. There are many who will claim to know Christ and will instead perish. The key to eternal life as Christ said so many times is the following of his commandments, a doctrine which you clearly reject. It is watering down Christ to say Christians will follow Christ because that is not the case and the Bible says clearly that same fall away and are rejected. Neither is it Biblical to claim that anyone who has God/Christ spirit will do good works .. again the Bible says otherwise.
So hopefully I would resist the temptation to respond to your posts in future. Our doctrines are worlds apart and discussions go nowhere.
Originally posted by sonshipYou said this three times
You managed to read my whole post this time ? ...