Originally posted by robbie carrobieDid you honestly think I was trying to persuade you to use the word "Allah" in spite of your personal reservations and despite the fact that you don't speak Indonesian or Malaysian? Was that really the only sticking point, robbie?
please see my above post FMF, you have exhausted me, i agree to everything 🙂
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIs the use of the word "God" purely cultural too? Are people who use the word "God" somehow not part of the "reality of Christianity itself" because "Christianity transcends both language and culture"? I find it hard to believe that you really believe what you are saying.
Christianity
transcends both language and culture and while i fully understand the proposition that
in some sense, the sum of its constituent parts adds up to the Christian reality, well,
these things appears to me to be purely cultural.
Originally posted by FMFNo i dont think God is cultural, it means the same to a southern baptist as a Mongolian Yak herder, Allah certainly is though.
Is the use of the word "God" purely cultural too? Are people who use the word "God" somehow not part of the "reality of Christianity itself" because "Christianity transcends both language and culture"? I find it hard to believe that you really believe what you are saying.
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Originally posted by FMFNot speaking his or her own language no, but i reckon, although i have not tested the
You reckon a Mongolian Yak herder speaking his or her own language, uses the word "God"?
theory that if you mentioned it and pointed to the heavens they might just have an
inclining what you were on about, do the same with Allah and they might just point you
to the nearest Mosque while you protested that you were a Christian.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell Mongolian Yak herders, in their mother tongue, use neither "God" nor "Allah" to refer to "God" as far as I know. But Indonesian Christians do. I take it that you now accept that whatever word for "God" that Christian Mongolian Yak herders use forms part of the multilingual reality of world Christianity? I can't quite see why you cannot bring yourself to acknowledge the same fact when it comes to Indonesian Christians and their mother tongue.
Not speaking his or her own language no, but i reckon, although i have not tested the
theory that if you mentioned it and pointed to the heavens they might just have an
inclining what you were on about, do the same with Allah and they might just point you
to the nearest Mosque while you protested that you were a Christian.
Originally posted by FMFWhat ever word they use is cultural, Christianity transcends both language and culture.
Well Mongolian Yak herders, in their mother tongue, use neither "God" nor "Allah" to refer to "God" as far as I know. But Indonesian Christians do. I take it that you now accept that whatever word for "God" that Christian Mongolian Yak herders use forms part of the multilingual reality of world Christianity? I can't quite see why you cannot bring yourself to ack ...[text shortened]... ledgement the same fact when it comes to Indonesian Christians and their mother tongue.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo the fact that Mongolian Yak herders don't understand the Indonesian language somehow makes the Indonesian use of the Indonesian word "Allah" not part of the reality of Christianity?
Not speaking his or her own language no, but i reckon, although i have not tested the
theory that if you mentioned it and pointed to the heavens they might just have an
inclining what you were on about, do the same with Allah and they might just point you
to the nearest Mosque while you protested that you were a Christian.
Robbie, I'm starting to suspect that you have made some statements that - on reflection - you don't actually agree with yourself anymore, but you can't bring yourself to just come out and say so.
Originally posted by FMFno FMF, I am stating that Christianity transcends both language and culture, this is its
So the fact Mongolian Yak herders don't understand the Indonesian language somehow makes the Indonesian use of the Indonesian word "Allah" not part of the reality of Christianity?
Robbie, I'm starting to suspect that you have made some statements that - on reflection - you don't actually agree with yourself anymore, but you can't bring yourself to just come out and say so.
reality, perhaps i haven't made that clear enough and i will ask you to refrain from
attempting to make anything personal, considering your own requests earlier in the
thread, I dont think its a request you can deny.
Originally posted by FMFGod is an abstract noun, it up to the individual to give it meaning, does an atheist think
And the word "God" does not form part of that reality? ...because language is transcended by Christianity?
that its a reality because he uses it, hardly. Whether it forms part of any kind of
objective reality, I cannot say.